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Date:	Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:42:12 -0400
From:	"J. Bruce Fields" <>
To:	Jeff Garzik <>
Cc:	Evgeniy Polyakov <>,,,
Subject: Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 06:32:11PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:14:53PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>> J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:07:46PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>>>> I've been waiting for years for a smart person to come along and write 
>>>>> a POSIX-only distributed filesystem.
>>>> What exactly do you mean by "POSIX-only"?
>>> Don't bother supporting attributes, file modes, and other details not 
>>> supported by POSIX.  The prime example being NFSv4, which is larded down 
>>> with Windows features.
>> I am sympathetic....  Cutting those out may still leave you with
>> something pretty complicated, though.
> Far less complicated than NFSv4.1 though (which is easy :))

One would hope so.

>>> NFSv4.1 adds to the fun, by throwing interoperability completely out the 
>>> window.
>> What parts are you worried about in particular?
> I'm not worried; I'm stating facts as they exist today (draft 13):
> NFS v4.1 does something completely without precedent in the history of NFS: 
>  the specification is defined such that interoperability is -impossible- to 
> guarantee.
> pNFS permits private and unspecified layout types.  This means it is 
> impossible to guarantee that one NFSv4.1 implementation will be able to 
> talk another NFSv4.1 implementation.

No, servers are required to support ordinary nfs operations to the
metadata server.

At least, that's the way it was last I heard, which was a while ago.  I
agree that it'd stink (for any number of reasons) if you ever *had* to
get a layout to access some file.

Was that your main concern?

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