netdev - Re: [RFD] iptables: mangle table obsoletes filter table

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Message-ID: <471699A0.3060303@tmr.com>
Date:	Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:24:16 -0400
From:	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>
To:	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>
CC:	Al Boldi <a1426z@...ab.com>, Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>,
	netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-net@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFD] iptables:  mangle table obsoletes filter table

Bill Davidsen wrote:

>>>> If not, then shouldn't the filter table be obsoleted to avoid 
>>>> confusion?
>>> That would probably confuse people. Just don't use it if you don't
>>> need to.
>>
> That is a most practical suggestion.
> 
>> The problem is that people think they are safe with the filter table, 
>> when in fact they need the prerouting chain to seal things.  Right now 
>> this is only possible in the mangle table.
>>
> I'm not sure what you think is unsafe about using the filter table, and 
> the order of evaluation issues certainly seem to suggest that some 
> actions would take a major rethink at least. Perhaps you could avoid 
> breaking all of the setups which currently work, rather than force 
> everyone to do things differently because you feel that your way is better.
> 
It was my intention to suggest that unintentional breakage of existing 
setups should be avoided, not that removing the filter table was some 
evil plot. ;-)
On rereading my original post I failed to make that clear, please take 
it as intended.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>
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