netdev - Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

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Message-ID: <4739F739.5040708@rtr.ca>
Date:	Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:12:57 -0500
From:	Mark Lord <liml@....ca>
To:	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, protasnb@...il.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	alsa-devel@...a-project.org, linux-ide@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-pcmcia@...ts.infradead.org,
	linux-input@...ey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	bugme-daemon@...zilla.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> ...
>>> I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work.
>>>
>>> But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly 
>>> undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable.
>> ..
>>
>> Definitely useful, no question.
>>
>> But the problem is now that kernel devs are addicted to it,
>> many won't even consider resolving a problem any other way.
>>
>> That's not "maintaining" (or supporting) one's code.
> 
> What you replaced with two dots contained the answer to this:
> 
> Another point is that it shifts the work from the few experienced 
> developers to the many users. Users (and voluntary testers) we have
> many, but developer time for debugging bug reports is a quite scarce 
> resource.
> 
>> And when a "maintainer" is too busy to find/fix their own bugs,
>> that could be a sign that they've bitten off too big of a chunk
>> of the kernel, and it's time for them to distribute code maintainership.
> 
> The problem is: Maintainers don't grow on trees.
> 
> You need people who are both technically capable and willing to spend 
> time on the non-sexy task of debugging problems.
> 
> Where do you plan to find them?
> 
> If you don't believe me, please find a maintainer for the currently 
> unmaintained parallel port support.
> 
> Or if you want a harder task, find a maintainer for the floppy driver...
..

Again, the problem is:

> But the problem is now that kernel devs are addicted to it,
> many won't even consider resolving a problem any other way.

And that's simply not good enough.

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