lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-ID: <4756B175.5010108@psc.edu>
Date:	Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:11:01 -0500
From:	John Heffner <jheffner@....edu>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
CC:	ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: TCP event tracking via netlink...

David Miller wrote:
> Ilpo, I was pondering the kind of debugging one does to find
> congestion control issues and even SACK bugs and it's currently too
> painful because there is no standard way to track state changes.
> 
> I assume you're using something like carefully crafted printk's,
> kprobes, or even ad-hoc statistic counters.  That's what I used to do
> :-)
> 
> With that in mind it occurred to me that we might want to do something
> like a state change event generator.
> 
> Basically some application or even a daemon listens on this generic
> netlink socket family we create.  The header of each event packet
> indicates what socket the event is for and then there is some state
> information.
> 
> Then you can look at a tcpdump and this state dump side by side and
> see what the kernel decided to do.
> 
> Now there is the question of granularity.
> 
> A very important consideration in this is that we want this thing to
> be enabled in the distributions, therefore it must be cheap.  Perhaps
> one test at the end of the packet input processing.
> 
> So I say we pick some state to track (perhaps start with tcp_info)
> and just push that at the end of every packet input run.  Also,
> we add some minimal filtering capability (match on specific IP
> address and/or port, for example).
> 
> Maybe if we want to get really fancy we can have some more-expensive
> debug mode where detailed specific events get generated via some
> macros we can scatter all over the place.  This won't be useful
> for general user problem analysis, but it will be excellent for
> developers.
> 
> Let me know if you think this is useful enough and I'll work on
> an implementation we can start playing with.


FWIW, sounds similar to what these guys are doing with SIFTR for FreeBSD:
http://caia.swin.edu.au/urp/newtcp/tools.html
http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/070824A/CAIA-TR-070824A.pdf

   -John
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ