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Date:	Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:42:30 -0500
From:	jamal <>
To:	Timo Teräs <>
Cc:	Herbert Xu <>,,
	David Miller <>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Fixing SA/SP dumps on netlink/af_key

On Thu, 2008-17-01 at 07:54 +0200, Timo Teräs wrote:

> You listen for the events. It is guaranteed that if the dumping code
> does return the entry to be deleted, the deletion notification will
> occur after that dump entry.

Ok, sounds reasonable - as long as there is a known order for
occurances, then there will be no ambiguity.
I am assuming that the same ordering will happen with
To go back to what i suggested earlier - is it possible to have this in
two stages? First pfkey with expected behavior being the same as current
netlink; then later the optimizations you are talking about.

Looking at the pfkey RFC one more time, heres a funny quote:
The dump message is used for debugging
purposes only and is not intended for production use.

One thing Dave mentioned thats extremely important is to ensure no ABI breakage. 
Think of racoon 0.6 which knows nothing of this; it should continue to work.

Dave: One reason i paid attention to this is because it was on your TODO
list from netconf 2005 ;-> It has just been sitting in the background
memory cells since.


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