netdev - Re: [PATCH RFC 4/5] tun: vringfd xmit support.

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Message-Id: <200804081151.43599.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Date:	Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:51:43 +1000
From:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	herbert@...dor.apana.org.au, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	maxk@...lcomm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/5] tun: vringfd xmit support.

On Monday 07 April 2008 17:35:28 David Miller wrote:
> From: Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:24:51 +1000
>
> > On Monday 07 April 2008 15:13:44 Herbert Xu wrote:
> > > On second thought, this is not going to work.  The network stack
> > > can clone individual pages out of this skb and put it into a new
> > > skb.  Therefore whatever scheme we come up with will either need
> > > to be page-based, or add a flag to tell the network stack that it
> > > can't clone those pages.
> >
> > Erk... I'll put in the latter for now.   A page-level solution is not
> > really an option: if userspace hands us mmaped pages for example.
>
> Keep in mind that the core of the TCP stack really depends
> upon being able to slice and dice paged SKBs as is pleases
> in order to send packets out.
>
> In fact, it also does such splitting during SACK processing.
>
> It really is a base requirement for efficient TSO support.
> Otherwise the above operations would be so incredibly
> expensive we might as well rip all of the TSO support out.

In this case that's OK; these are only for packets coming from 
userspace/guest, so the only interaction with the tcp code is possibly as a 
recipient.

If tcp wanted to do zero-copy aio xmit, I think we'd need something else.

Cheers,
Rusty.




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