netdev - Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors

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Message-ID: <47FF6555.50004@rtr.ca>
Date:	Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:19:17 -0400
From:	Mark Lord <lkml@....ca>
To:	Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi>
Cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, jesper.juhl@...il.com,
	tilman@...p.cc, yoshfuji@...ux-ipv6.org,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>, rjw@...k.pl,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors

Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Mark Lord wrote:
> 
>> David Miller wrote:
>>> From: Mark Lord <lkml@....ca>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:27:14 -0400
>>>
>>>> It's *your* bug -- you signed off on the commit.
>>> I sign off on basically every networking commit, does that mean I have
>>> to fix every networking bug and every networking bug is "mine"?
>> ..
>>
>> Absolutely, though to a varying degree.  That's the responsibility
>> that goes with the role of a subsystem maintainer.  I once had
>> such a role, and gave it up when I felt I could no longer keep up.  
>> You still keep refering to it as "your (my) bug".
>> It's not.  I had nothing to do with it, other than stumbling over it.
> 
> This bug is perfect example where bisect clearly was useful :-). Nobody 
> knew whose bug it actually was until your bisect gave directions.
> 
>> When people stumble over a libata bug, I look hard to see if my code
>> could possibly cause it.  Jeff looks even harder, because he's the
>> current subsystem dude for libata.
>>
>> I never suggest a user search through a mountain of unrelated commits
>> for something I've screwed up on.
> 
> But it is ok for you to ask an innocent net developer to do that (even 
> with your terms as I hadn't signed off _anything_ related to that one),
> hmm?
> 
> ...You had this pretty demanding tone earlier:
> 
>> Or I can ignore it, like the net developers, since I have a workaround.
>> And then we'll see what other apps are broken upon 2.6.25 final release.
..

That's not demanding, that's quite relaxed.  I had a good workaround,
and didn't really care any more at that point.  Just though it was rather
odd that none of the developers seemed interested in tracking it down.
I offered tons of help, gave it, and said I didn't have time for a full
bisect at that juncture.

For that, I get repeatedly slammed by the netdev folks.
Even after I put aside *paid* work to submit to your demands.

Next time around, I won't bother reporting bugs to you folks,
that's for damned sure.

Cheers
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