netdev - Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

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Message-ID: <20080414100018.GA10378@1wt.eu>
Date:	Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:00:18 +0200
From:	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
To:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
Cc:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>, Tilman Schmidt <tilman@...p.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu, Mark Lord <lkml@....ca>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, jesper.juhl@...il.com,
	yoshfuji@...ux-ipv6.org, jeff@...zik.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:58:08AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Willy Tarreau <w@....eu> writes:
> 
> > Linux is the *only* product which requires
> > the bug reporter to find the fault change (yes, I know, it's scalable).
> 
> It's a pretty common procedure for compilers (gcc, llvm) too, although
> they have the advantage that given a test case usually someone else
> can run the bisect procedure because they do not depend on the underlying
> hardware 
> 
> That's unfortunately not the case for most kernel bugs, although
> sometimes it is possible given a hardware independent test case. And
> while most of the kernel code is drivers and arch, a lot of it is
> still pretty hardware independent, so at least in some cases it is
> possible to submit test cases and then let someone else (like a bug
> master) do the bisect.
> 
> Of course it is unclear if producing a submittable test case will be
> actually any faster than just running bisect for the user.
> 
> That said I agree it's a big burden to run bisect for everything
> because it can take very long (especially if the problem
> is not trivially reproducable) 
> 
> It would be fair at least if maintainers always gave some candidate
> commit ids when asking for bisect for likely changes that could
> have matched the bug.  Then those could be checked quickly first
> before doing the full run.
> 
> While that will not always work it would be still a useful short cut
> and save a lot of time for the reporter.

And most of all, the reporter would not feel like the bisection is
the default response !

> -Andi

Willy

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