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Date:	Tue, 13 May 2008 12:42:03 +0300 (EEST)
From:	"Ilpo Järvinen" <>
To:	David Miller <>
cc:, Netdev <>
Subject: Re: Fix FRTO+NewReno problem

On Mon, 12 May 2008, David Miller wrote:

> From: "Ilpo_Järvinen" <>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:12:47 +0300 (EEST)
> > Then one question for DaveM:
> > 
> > What I'm not fully sure of, is do we want this workaround to be a sysctl 
> > or unconditionally enabled which causes potentially up to two unnecessary 
> > retransmissions? With SACK one or both of them will get SACKed before they 
> > get retransmitted (both cases have common scenarios). (I made that 
> > workaround patch for, so YMMV if you just plainly try to apply it 
> > to net-2.6).
> I think we will have to handle this behavior, unconditionally, all
> the time.  Don't even add the sysctl.

Yes, that's what I was thinking in the second option.

> If I understand correctly, it is only non-SACK newreno case that can
> get the unnecessary retransmissions, right?  If so, it's not a big
> deal at all.

No, also SACK could get at least one quite easily if TCP has a small 
window, to get two of them with SACK one needs to have a stranger case
unless I missed something. If I just remove that forward transmission LOST 
marking avoidance unconditionally, it fixes that SACKFRTO window of 
failure too which was a pending thing to fix :-).

Btw, the first two fixes (workaround was not included) also fixed bugzilla 
#10063, I just got a confirmation about that as well.

I'll send the two patches still pending separately in a minute.


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