netdev - Re: data received but not detected

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Message-ID: <485AE70A.9040807@candelatech.com>
Date:	Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:08:58 -0700
From:	Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>
To:	Travis Stratman <tstratman@...cinc.com>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: data received but not detected

Travis Stratman wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 16:45 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
>> Travis Stratman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 15:31 -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
>>>> Travis Stratman wrote:
>>>>> I am working on an application that uses a fairly simple UDP protocol to
>>>>> send data between two embedded devices. I'm noticing an issue with an
>>>>> initial test that was written where datagrams are received but not seen
>>>>> by the recvfrom() call until more data arrives after it. As of right now
>>>>> the test case does not implement any type of lost packet protection or
>>>>> other flow control, which is what makes the issue so noticeable.
>>>> UDP packets can be lost anywhere..including in the receive buffer
>>>> after it has been received by the NIC.
>>>>
>>>> You probably just need to write your code smarter to use non-blocking
>>>> IO and deal with packet loss.
>>> Thanks Ben.
>>>
>>> I understand that there is no guarantee of anything with UDP, but it
>>> seems to me that if there is a packet in the buffer (it shows up after
>>> another packet comes in behind it) the system should know about it,
>>> right?
>> Ahh, I see what you mean.
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't know anything about your NIC driver, and it would
>> seem to be implicated.
> 
> I agree, but it also troubles me that the x86 board that I noticed the
> same issue on uses the realtek (8139too) driver, so I'm not completely
> convinced that the issue is at the NIC level.

If you run a sniffer on the machine that is dropping/delaying receiving
the pkt, you can probably determine whether it is a driver issue or some
other stack issue:

If you see the pkt in the sniffer, but not in the application, then
it's probably a udp stack issue or at least not the driver.
Otherwise, the driver must be holding onto the packet.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

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