netdev - Re: [PATCH] pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering functionality to tfifo qdisc.

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Date:	Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:49:25 +0200
From:	Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...il.com>
To:	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
Cc:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	herbert@...dor.apana.org.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pkt_sched: sch_netem: Limit packet re-ordering
	functionality to tfifo qdisc.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:00:56PM +0200, Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Jarek Poplawski wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:51:29PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
>>> David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> sch_netem is just a black box, like any other packet scheduler node in
>>>> the tree, and so it can internally do the reordering with a self managed
>>>> packet list or similar.  All of this can be hidden inside of it's ->dequeue()
>>>> with some pkt_sch watchdog timer that fires to prevent stale packets sitting
>>>> in the reorder queue forever.
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, just and idea and RFC, just like this patch ;-)
>>> The problem is that jamal talked me into having netem as a classful qdisc,
>>> instead of doing its own rate control.  People like to do use TBF as inner qdisc,
>>> and do reordering.
>>
>> If it's only this kind of usage we could export tfifo and let use this
>> as a TBF's (etc.) leaf. Of course, this would require changes in those
>> people scripts.
>
> In that case we might as well teach them to use TBF as *parent*
> of netem (and I'd vote to do that and kill requeue).
>
> But we can argue about this forever without any progress. The
> question is simple - should we enforce a reasonable qdisc structure
> and kill ->requeue or keep it around forever. Keep in mind that there
> is no loss of functionality by using TBF as parent and that we
> can do this gradually so users have a chance to fix their scripts,
> should anyone really use TBF as inner qdisc.
>

I'm not sure we think about the same: this tfifo idea doesn't need
->requeue() at all. This would go through TBF's or prio's (etc.)
->enqueue(), and only tfifo's ->enqueue(), if it's used as a leaf,
checks the qdisc flag and can reorder.

But if it's useless, no problem. I can redo this patch without this
qdisc flag.

Jarek P.
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