Date:	Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:20:10 +0100
From:	Luca De Cicco <ldecicco@...il.com>
To:	Douglas Leith <Doug.Leith@...m.ie>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Cc:	Saverio Mascolo <saverio.mascolo@...il.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: [RFC] tcp: make H-TCP the default congestion control

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From: Saverio Mascolo <saverio.mascolo@...il.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [RFC] tcp: make H-TCP the default congestion control
To: Douglas Leith <Doug.Leith@...m.ie>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>


dear all,

we have tested newreno (only ietf standard), bic (linux default), cubic
and westwood+ over commercial hsdpa card. we run 3000 experiments (down
and up links).
main results were:
1. similar downlink goodputs but with much more timeouts and packet loss
ratio when using bic/cubic (3 times timeouts and 2 times packet loss
ratio) 2. larger rtt experienced when using bic/cubic

more details can be found at:

http://c3lab.poliba.it/index.php/TCP_over_Hsdpa

saverio


On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Douglas Leith <Doug.Leith@...m.ie>
wrote:

> A bit of delayed input to this thread on netdev ...
>
>  I'm not so sure about this logic, regardless of the algorithms
>> involved.
>>
>> H-TCP was never the default in any distribution or release that
>> I know of.  So it's real world exposure is effectively zero,
>> which is the same as the new CUBIC stuff.
>>
>
>  They are effectively, therefore, equivalent choices.
>>
>
> Not really.  At this stage HTCP has undergone quite extensive
> independent testing by a good few groups (Caltech, Swinburne, North
> Carolina etc).  Its also been independently implemented in FreeBSD by
> the Swinburne folks.  Its true it hasn't been default in linux, but
> it HTCP  been subject to *far* more testing than the new cubic
> algorithm which has had no independent testing at all to my knowledge.
>
> I'd also like to add some new input to the discussion on choice of
> congestion control algorithm in linux - and why it might be useful to
> evaluate alternatives like htcp.   Almost all of the proposals for
> changes to tcp (including cubic) have really slow convergence to
> fairness when new flows start up.   The question is then whether it
> matters e.g. whether it negatively impacts users.
>
> To try to get a handle on this, we took one set of measurements from
> a home DSL line over a live link (so hopefully representative of
> common user experience), the other from a the production link out of
> the hamilton institute (so maybe more like the experience of
> enterprise users).   Plots of our measurements are at
>
> http://www.hamilton.ie/doug/tina2.eps  (DSL link)
> http://www.hamilton.ie/doug/caltech.eps  (hamilton link)
>
> and also attached.
>
> We started one long-ish flow (mimicking incumbent flows) and then
> started a second shorter flow.  The plots show the completion time of
> the second flow vs its connection size.  If the incumbent flow is
> slow to release bandwidth (as we expect with cubic), we expect the
> completion time of the second flow to increase, and indeed this is
> what we see.
>
> What's particularly interesting is (i) the magnitude of the
> difference - completion times are consistently x2 with cubic vs htcp
> over many tests and (ii) that this effect is apparent not only on
> higher speed links (caltech.eps) but also on regular DSL links
> (tina2.eps - we took measurements from a home DSL line, so its not a
> sanitised lab setup or anything like that).
>
> As might be expected, the difference in completion times eventually
> washes out for long transfers, e.g for the DSL link the most
> pronounced difference is for 1MB connections (where there is about a
> x2 difference in times between cubic and htcp) but becomes less for
> longer flows.  The point is that most real flows are short however,
> so the performance with a 1MB size flow seems like it should be more
> important than the 10MB size performance. For me the DSL performance
> is the more important one here since it affects so many people, and
> was quite surprising, although I can also reproduce similar results
> on our testbed so its not a weird corner case or anything like that.
>
> Wouldn't it be interesting to give h-tcp a go in linux to get wider
> feedback ?
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> Doug
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Dipartimento di Elettrotecnica ed Elettronica
Politecnico di Bari
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Italy
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Fax. +39 080 5963410
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Dipartimento di Elettrotecnica ed Elettronica
Politecnico di Bari
Via Orabona 4
70125 Bari
Italy
Tel. +39 080 5963621
Fax. +39 080 5963410
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