netdev - Re: [PATCH NET-NEXT 01/10] clocksource: allow usage independent of timekeeping.c

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Date:	Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:40:21 -0800
From:	Daniel Walker <dwalker@...o99.com>
To:	john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>
Cc:	Patrick Ohly <patrick.ohly@...el.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH NET-NEXT 01/10] clocksource: allow usage independent of
	timekeeping.c

On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 11:25 -0800, john stultz wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:09 -0800, Daniel Walker wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:46 +0100, Patrick Ohly wrote:
> > > In an earlier revision of the patch I had adapted clocksource itself so
> > > that it could be used outside of the time keeping code; John wanted me
> > > to use these smaller structs instead that you now find in the current
> > > patch.
> > 
> > Well, I think your original idea was better.. I don't think we need the
> > duplication of underlying clocksource mechanics.
> > 
> > > Eventually John wants to refactor clocksource so that it uses them and
> > > just adds additional elements in clocksource. Right now clocksource is a
> > > mixture of different concepts. Breaking out cyclecounter and timecounter
> > > is a first step towards that cleanup.
> > 
> > The problem I see is that your putting off the cleanup of struct
> > clocksource with duplication.. It should go in reverse , you should use
> > clocksources for your patch set. Which will motivate John to clean up
> > the clocksource structure.
> 
> I strongly disagree. Misusing a established structure for unintended use
> is just bad. What Patrick wants to use the counters for has very
> different semantics then how clocksources are used.

I don't think it's at all bad to reuse an established system like that,
especially when the purposed one is largely duplication of the other..
The issue is more that struct clocksource has been loaded up with too
many timekeeping specific ornaments .. I would think a good clean up
would be just to remove those from the structure.

> I think having a bit of redundancy in two structures is good motivation
> for me to clean up the clocksources to use cyclecounters.

I'm not sure what kind of clean up you have in mind. Given that
clocksources are used across many architectures, do you really want to
do a mass name change for all of them? Not to mention most people see
clocksources as cycle counters , so you would just add confusion in
addition to code flux.

If your going to end up merging this new cycle counter structure with
clocksources anyway, why wouldn't we do it now instead of doing
temporary duplication ..

Daniel

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