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Message-ID: <49CE22D1.6090109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:14:57 +0100 From: Xose Vazquez Perez <xose.vazquez@...il.com> To: netdev@...r.kernel.org Subject: [Fwd: net-tools future] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: net-tools future Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:30:18 From: Martín Ferrari <tincho@...ian.org> To: debian-devel@@lists.debian.org Hi, Luk Claes and me, as the current maintainers of net-tools, we've been thinking about it's future. Net-tools has been a core part of Debian and any other linux based distro for many years, but it's showing its age. It doesnt support many of the modern features of the linux kernel, the interface is far from optimal and difficult to use in automatisation, and also, it hasn't got much love in the last years. On the other side, the iproute suite, introduced around the 2.2 kernel line, has both a much better and consistent interface, is more powerful, and is almost ten years old, so nobody would say it's untested. Hence, our plans are to replace net-tools completely with iproute, maybe leading the route for other distributions to follow. Of course, most people and tools use and remember the venerable old interface, so the first step would be to write wrappers, trying to be compatible with net-tools. At the same time, we believe that most packages using net-tools should be patched to use iproute instead, while others can continue using the wrappers for some time. The ifupdown package is obviously the first candidate, but it seems that a version using iproute has been available in experimental since 2007. So, the roadmap would be: - Send patches to net-tools using packages to use iproute instead - Development of the wrapper scripts - Uploading to experimental a net-tools-compat package, to allow wider testing. - Upload to unstable About the wrapper scripts: * ipconfig, route: the most difficult ones, both can be replaced by calls to "ip", maybe except for some obscure options. * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some formatting changes and parsing the command line * rarp should be dropped, as the linux kernel doesn't support it anymore, since the 2.3 series. The replacement, arpd, is already included in iproute. * ipmaddr works exactly as "ip maddr", in fact, the code is from the iproute sources. Same for iptunnel and "ip tunnel". In both cases, they're just replaced by a symlinkm, as the ip command recognises that. * nameif: can be replaced by "ip link", not sure if it's worth the effort (does anybody actually use it?) Problematic tools: * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand, it's distributed as a stand-alone tool [0] and we could do the same. * plipsetup, slattach: we don't know of any replacement for those, but could be distributed separately too. Also, it's dubious if anyone still uses them. 0: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mii-tool/ -- Martín Ferrari <tincho@...ian.org> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST@...ts.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@...ts.debian.org ---end--- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
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