netdev - Re: IPoIB: Fix multicast packet drops before join is complete

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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906051444360.29918@gentwo.org>
Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:17:26 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Roland Dreier <rdreier@...co.com>
cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	yosefe@...taire.COM
Subject: Re: IPoIB: Fix multicast packet drops before join is complete

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Roland Dreier wrote:

>  > ARP is tied to managing small chunks of information about the network
>  > infrastructure. Buffering the first few and throwing the rest away is
>  > appropriate there for what the ARP protocol intends to do.
>
> Yes, but what the IP stack is doing is queueing a few packets while ARP
> is pending and dropping all other packets until the destination ethernet
> address is resolved.

Usually the ARP resolution is already established so its not that big an
issue. In order for ARP resolution to matter we have to send to a
IP address that is not in the current ARP cache.
We ran a test here sending UDP unicast and indeed we get udp packet loss.

However, *no* initial packets made it at all to the destination. We
had an effective outage for 3 milliseconds of packets being
discarded before anything is received. However, once it starts packets
flow continually without a problem.

This is actually better than IPoIB there is nothing before
the initial traffic that arrives. In the IPoIB case 3 packets arrive
suggesting to the other side that the link is okay.

In the MC case a IGMP join must also be performed which likely takes much
longer and the switches will hold off traffic for awhile. We have a
mininum here of 8 milliseconds of those outages. Then the first 3 packet
arrive.

>  > UDP multicasting can be used for streaming information. And right now the
>  > IPoIB layer is dropping thousands of packets whenever there was a pause of
>  > a few minutes or when a new multicast group is used and there is some
>  > delay that the network need to reestablish the multicast route.
>
> Yes -- and the required IB multicast resolution seems like it is an L2
> thing precisely analogous to ARP.  So I think the original IPoIB code
> actually was doing the right thing.

Then why dont the 1G NICs do the same?

Why are apps no longer working right when we move them from 1G to
IPoIB?
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