netdev - Re: [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support

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Message-ID: <20090810095118.125fe966@nehalam>
Date:	Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:51:18 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	"Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@...com>
Cc:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@...taire.com>,
	"Paul Congdon (UC Davis)" <ptcongdon@...avis.edu>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"bridge@...ts.linux-foundation.org" 
	<bridge@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	"davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"adobriyan@...il.com" <adobriyan@...il.com>,
	"virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	"evb@...oogroups.com" <evb@...oogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:32:01 +0000
"Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@...com> wrote:

> > Subject: Re: [evb] RE: [PATCH][RFC] net/bridge: add basic VEPA support
> > 
> > On Monday 10 August 2009, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:19:08 +0300, Or Gerlitz
> > <ogerlitz@...taire.com> wrote:
> > > > Looking in macvlan_set_multicast_list() it acts in a similar manner
> > to
> > > > macvlan_set_mac_address() in the sense that it calls dev_mc_sync().
> > I
> > > > assume what's left is to add macvlan_hash_xxx multicast logic to
> > > > map/unmap multicast groups to what macvlan devices want to receive
> > them
> > > > and this way the flooding can be removed, correct?
> > >
> > > The device can just flood all multicast packets, since the filtering
> > > is done on the receive path anyway.
> 
> Is this handled by one of the additional patches? In the current kernel tree
> macvlan code it looks as if multicast filtering is only handled by the
> physical device driver, but not on particular macvlan devices.
>  
> 
> > But we'd still have to copy the frames to user space (for both
> > macvtap and raw packet sockets) and exit from the guest to inject
> > it into its stack, right?
> 
> I think it would be nice if you can implement what Or describes for 
> macvlan and avoid flooding, and it doesn't sound too hard to do. 
> 
> I guess one advantage for macvlan (over the bridge) is that you can 
> program in all information you have for the ports attached to it, e.g. 
> MAC addresses and multicast addresses. So you could take advantage of
> that whereas the bridge always floods multicast frames to all ports.
>  
> How would this work though, if the OS inside the guest wants to register
> to a particular multicast address? Is this propagated through the backend
> drivers to the macvlan/macvtap interface?

Sure filtering is better, but multicast performance with large number
of guests is really a corner case, not the real performance issue.
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