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Message-ID: <20090812134715.GB29340@redhat.com>
Date:	Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:47:15 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@...il.com>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	"kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, hpa@...or.com,
	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/2] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:41:35AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:01:35AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> >> I think I understand what your comment above meant:  You don't need to
> >> do synchronize_rcu() because you can flush the workqueue instead to
> >> ensure that all readers have completed.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> >>  But if thats true, to me, the
> >> rcu_dereference itself is gratuitous,
> > 
> > Here's a thesis on what rcu_dereference does (besides documentation):
> > 
> > reader does this
> > 
> > 	A: sock = n->sock
> > 	B: use *sock
> > 
> > Say writer does this:
> > 
> > 	C: newsock = allocate socket
> > 	D: initialize(newsock)
> > 	E: n->sock = newsock
> > 	F: flush
> > 
> > 
> > On Alpha, reads could be reordered.  So, on smp, command A could get
> > data from point F, and command B - from point D (uninitialized, from
> > cache).  IOW, you get fresh pointer but stale data.
> > So we need to stick a barrier in there.
> 
> Yes, that is understood.  Perhaps you should just use a normal barrier,
> however.  (Or at least a comment that says "I am just using this for its
> barrier").
> 
> > 
> >> and that pointer is *not* actually
> >> RCU protected (nor does it need to be).
> > 
> > Heh, if readers are lockless and writer does init/update/sync,
> > this to me spells rcu.
> 
> More correctly: it "smells like" RCU, but its not. ;)  It's rcu-like,
> but you are not really using the rcu facilities.  I think anyone that
> knows RCU and reads your code will likely be scratching their heads as well.
> 
> Its probably not a big deal, as I understand your code now.  Just a
> suggestion to help clarify it.
> 
> Regards,
> -Greg
> 

OK, I'll add some comments about that.
Thanks for the review!

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MST
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