netdev - Re: Stop using tasklets for bottom halves

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Message-ID: <20090908091252.3e931e0d@nehalam>
Date:	Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:12:52 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>
To:	rostedt@...dmis.org
Cc:	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...il.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Michael Buesch <mb@...sch.de>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@...driver.com>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	Matt Smith <Matt.Smith@...eros.com>,
	Kevin Hayes <kevin@...eros.com>,
	Bob Copeland <me@...copeland.com>, Jouni Malinen <j@...fi>,
	Ivan Seskar <Seskar@...lab.rutgers.edu>, ic.felix@...il.com
Subject: Re: Stop using tasklets for bottom halves

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:17:34 -0400
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 17:14 -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:58:50 -0700
> > "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...il.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > A while ago I had read about an effort to consider removing tasklets
> > > [1] or at least trying to not use them. I'm unaware of the progress in
> > > this respect but since reading that article have always tried to
> > > evaluate whether or not we need tasklets on wireless drivers. I have
> > > also wondered whether work in irq context in other parts of the kernel
> > > can be moved to process context, a curious example being timers. I'll
> > > personally be trying to using only process context on bottom halves on
> > > future drivers but I figured it may be a good time to ask how serious
> > > was avoiding tasklets or using wrappers in the future to avoid irq
> > > context is or is it advised. Do we have a general agreement this is a
> > > good step forward to take? Has anyone made tests or changes on a
> > > specific driver from irq context to process context and proven there
> > > are no significant advantages of using irq context where you would
> > > have expected it?
> > > 
> > > Wireless in particular should IMHO not require taskets for anything
> > > time sensitive that I can think about except perhaps changing channels
> > > quickly and to do that appropriately also process pending RX frames
> > > prior to a switch. It remains to be seen experimentally whether or not
> > > using a workqueue for RX processing would affect the time to switch
> > > channels negatively but I doubt it would be significant. I hope to
> > > test that with ath9k_htc.
> > > 
> > > What about gigabit or 10 Gigabit Ethernet drivers ? Do they face any
> > > challenges which would yet need to be proven would not face issues
> > > when processing bottom halves in process context?
> > > 
> > > [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/239633/
> > > 
> > >   Luis
> > > --
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> > 
> > Why not use NAPI, which is soft irq? Almost all 1G and 10G drivers
> > use NAPI.
> > 
> > Process context is too slow.
> 
> Well, I'm hoping to prove the opposite. I'm working on some stuff that I
> plan to present at Linux Plumbers. I've been too distracted by other
> things, but hopefully I'll have some good numbers to present by then.
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 

A good performance test is changing the behaviour of loopback
device and running lmbench.  This checks overhead without the specter
of real hardware.

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