netdev - Re: [PATCH 1/3] net: TCP thin-stream detection

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Message-ID: <4AE7B5D6.8070001@gmail.com>
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:09:10 -0400
From:	William Allen Simpson <william.allen.simpson@...il.com>
To:	Andreas Petlund <apetlund@...ula.no>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	shemminger@...tta.com, ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi,
	davem@...emloft.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] net: TCP thin-stream detection

Andreas Petlund wrote:
> +/* Determines whether this is a thin stream (which may suffer from
> + * increased latency). Used to trigger latency-reducing mechanisms.
> + */
> +static inline unsigned int tcp_stream_is_thin(const struct tcp_sock *tp)
> +{
> +	return tp->packets_out < 4;
> +}
> +
This bothers me a bit.  Having just looked at your Linux presentation,
and not (yet) read your papers, it seems much of your justification was
with 1 packet per RTT.  Here, you seem to be concentrating on 4, probably
because many implementations quickly ramp up to 4.

But there's a fair amount of experience showing that ramping to 4 is
problematic on congested paths, especially wireless networks.  Fast
retransmit in that case would be disastrous.

Once upon a time, I worked on a fair number of interactive games a decade
or so ago.  And agree that this can be a problem, although I've never
been a fan of turning off the Nagle algorithm.  My solution has always
been a heartbeat, rather than trying to shoehorn this into TCP.

Also, I've not seen any discussion on the end-to-end interest list.

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