netdev - Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces

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Date:	Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:34:06 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>
To:	Bryan Kadzban <bryan@...zban.is-a-geek.net>
Cc:	Hannes Reinecke <hare@...e.de>, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@...y.org>,
	Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@...l.com>,
	dann frazier <dannf@...com>, linux-hotplug@...r.kernel.org,
	Narendra_K@...l.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	Jordan_Hargrave@...l.com, Charles_Rose@...l.com,
	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net 
 interfaces

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:22:36 -0700
Bryan Kadzban <bryan@...zban.is-a-geek.net> wrote:

> Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> > And to throw in some bit of useless information;
> 
> Stirring the pot a bit myself with this message...
> 
> > The one reason I didn't to this was that a network interface is _not_
> > a file, but rather an abstract type which is known only internally in
> > the kernel (ie the one exemption from the 'everything is a file' UNIX
> > rule).
> 
> Why?  Why not make it a file?  I've heard rumors of other Unix-like
> systems that do exactly that, FWIW.
> 
> (Yes, I'm joking.  Well, maybe half-joking...  It'd be nice, but I don't
> expect it to happen.)
> 
> > When I were to design this, I would be implementing network interface
> > _aliases_, so that a network interface could be accessed either by 
> > name or by alias. This mechanism can then be managed by udev, much 
> > like we (ie SUSE) is using it nowadays to assign the network
> > interface numbers.
> 
> The problem with that, if I understand what you're suggesting, is the
> value of IFNAMSIZ, and the fact that it can't be made any bigger.  All
> your aliases have to be IFNAMSIZ characters or less.  And that's too
> short to be able to embed the same level of information as we get for
> e.g. disks.  It's *barely* long enough to fit "mac-" plus 12 hex digits
> (for the MAC address), but is completely incapable of holding a USB bus
> path, for instance.
> 
> (Not that you'd want to use path persistence for USB devices.  But it is
> possible that you'd want it for some other setup, at which point it
> becomes impossible to use the same rules for USB.)

Not a big fan of multiple names, it is the wrong solution to the human
question of "what is eth0 really?". Router o/s use description field
for that kind of information.

I added ifalias to provide place to put user visible description information.
It is in latest kernels via sysfs and iproute utilities.  Also plan to add
support for it in net-snmp.

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