netdev - Re: [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control.

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Message-ID: <m1ljeempk6.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Date:	Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:44:25 -0800
From:	ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To:	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com>
Cc:	hadi@...erus.ca, Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@...ibm.com>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>,
	Linux Netdev List <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	Netfilter Development Mailinglist 
	<netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serue@...ibm.com>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@...ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control.

Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>> Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@...allels.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. What's the problem with setns?
>>>> joining a preexisting namespace is roughly the same problem as
>>>> unsharing a namespace.  We simply haven't figure out how to do it
>>>> safely for the pid and the uid namespaces.
>>> The pid may change after this for sure. What problems do you know
>>> about it? What if we try to allocate the same PID in a new space
>>> or return -EBUSY? This will be a good starting point. If we manage
>>> to fix it later this will not break the API at all.
>> 
>> Parentage.  The pid is the identity of a process and all kinds of things
>> make assumptions in all kinds of strange places.  I don't see how
>> waitpid can work if you change the pid.
>
> Agree. But what if we enter a pid space, which is a subnamespace of a current
> one? In that case parent will still see the task by its old pid. We can restrict
> first version of entering with this rule as well and this restriction will not
> block us in typical usecase (I mean enter a container from a host).

When I was thinking about pid namespaces and unshare last time.  The idea I came
to was we unshare of the pid namespace should only affect which pid namespace
your children are in.

I remember that do that there were a few cases where you would have to access
task->pid->pid_ns instead of task->nsproxy->pid_ns, but essentially it was pretty
simple.

>> glibc doesn't cope if you change someones pid.
>
> OK, but what if we try to allocate the same pid returning -EBUSY on failure?
>
> My aim is to provide even a restricted enter. For most of the cases this
> should work and make our lives easier. So two restrictions currently:
> a) enter a sub namespace
> b) allocate the same pid as we have now
>
> Hm? :)

Replacing struct pid is guaranteed to do all kinds of nasty things with
signal handling and the like, de_thread is nasty enough and you are talking
something worse.  So if we can change pid namespaces without changing
the pid I am for it.


Eric
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