netdev - Re: [net-next 2/2] macvlan: Enable qdisc backoff logic.

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Message-ID: <4C7573D1.9070400@candelatech.com>
Date:	Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:49:37 -0700
From:	Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>
To:	Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@...u.net>
CC:	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next 2/2] macvlan:  Enable qdisc backoff logic.

On 08/25/2010 12:38 PM, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote:
> * Ben Greear | 2010-08-25 12:27:43 [-0700]:
>
>>> I suppose we need to do something in macvtap to handle this as
>>> well, right? A guest trying to send a frame through qemu
>>> or vhost net into macvtap needs to be prevented from sending
>>> more when we get into this path. Right now, we just ignore
>>> the return value of macvlan_start_xmit.
>>
>> I have a similar, though slightly more complex, patch for 802.1q
>> vlans, but I haven't looked at macvtap at all.
>>
>> If these two patches are accepted, I'll post the .1q patch as well.
>
> I do not completely understand the benefit for macvlan. I think this BUSY logic
> shifts functionality and make upper level code more complicated (e.g. handle
> NET_XMIT_SUCCESS and skb bookkeeping). At the end it boils down to two
> scenarios:

Code that is calling hard_start_xmit already has to know how to deal
with the NETDEV_TX_BUSY return code, this just allows mac-vlans to return that
code instead of always dropping in overload scenarios.

This *should* allow backpressure up to user-space socket buffers to fill up
and provide indication that they should slow down transmitting (and
perhaps sleep a bit) instead of continually doing work to send packets
that are being dropped.

> a) the congestion is temporary
> b) the congestion is for a longer period
>
> For a), a increased link queue length can bridge a longer period too. There is
> no need to shift the logic in the upper layer. For b): at the end the upper
> layer must also drop skb's - there is no alternative. Or require qemu other,
> special handling? (e.g. sleep until the queue is free again).

For b, the thing generating packets can back off.  I'm not 100% sure the
back-pressure logic goes all the way up the stack properly, but there
is no fundamental reason it couldn't, and this macvlan patch just
makes it work a small bit better.

If something was trying to take a pkt out of a queue for xmit,
and it got the NETDEV_TX_BUSY when it tried to send, it could simply
poke that skb back into the queue and return EBUSY or whatever to
the calling code.

> For case a) the shift in the upper layers _can_ be superior because it can
> dynamically increase the skb buffer, whatever. But why not implementing a more
> clever, dynamic fifo. E.g. pfifo_dynamic (not really serious)? Is this
> functionality qemu centric or are there any other use cases?

I don't use it with qemu.  I primarily wrote this to make pktgen able to
back off when sending pkts on mac-vlans.  High-speed user-space senders
should also benefit.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@...delatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

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