netdev - Re: [PATCH] xps-mq: Transmit Packet Steering for multiqueue

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Message-ID: <20100919172451.GA12878@redhat.com>
Date:	Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:24:51 +0200
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>
Cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, therbert@...gle.com,
	eric.dumazet@...il.com, shemminger@...tta.com,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xps-mq: Transmit Packet Steering for multiqueue

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:52:41PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 18:32 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Tom Herbert <therbert@...gle.com>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:24:18 -0700
> > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
> > >> 3) Eventually have a user selectable selection (socket option, or system
> > >> wide, but one sysctl, not many bitmasks ;) ).
> > >>
> > > Right, but it would also be nice if a single sysctl could optimally
> > > set up multiqueue, RSS, RPS, and all my interrupt affinities for me
> > > ;-)
> > 
> > It's becomming increasingly obvious to me that we need (somewhere,
> > not necessarily the kernel) a complete datastructure representing
> > the NUMA, cache, cpu, device hierarchy.
> 
> And ideally a cheap way (not O(N^2)) to find the distance between 2 CPU
> threads (not just nodes).
> 
> > And that can be used to tweak all of this stuff.
> > 
> > The policy should probably be in userspace, we just need to provide
> > the knobs in the kernel to tweak it however userspace wants.
> > 
> > Userspace should be able to, for example, move a TX queue into a
> > NUMA domain and have this invoke several side effects:
> > 
> > 1) IRQs for that TX queue get rerouted to a cpu in the NUMA
> >    domain.
> > 
> > 2) TX queue datastructures in the driver get reallocated using
> >    memory in that NUMA domain.
> 
> I've actually done some work on an interface and implementation of this,
> although I didn't include actually setting the IRQ affinity as there has
> been pushback whenever people propose letting drivers set this.  If they
> only do so as directed by the administrator this might be more
> acceptable though.
> 
> Unfortunately in my limited testing on a 2-node system I didn't see a
> whole lot of improvement in performance when the affinities were all
> lined up.  I should try to get some time on a 4-node system.

I've been trying to look into this as well.
It'd be very interesting to see the patches even if they don't show
good performance.  Could you post them?


> > 3) TX hashing is configured to use the set of cpus in the NUMA
> >    domain.
> > 
> > It's alot of tedious work and involves some delicate tasks figuring
> > out where each of these things go, but really then we'd solve all
> > of this crap one and for all.
> 
> Right.
> 
> The other thing I've been working on lately which sort of ties into this
> is hardware acceleration of Receive Flow Steering.  Multiqueue NICs such
> as ours tend to have RX flow filters as well as hashing.  So why not use
> those to do a first level of steering?  We're going to do some more
> internal testing and review but I hope to send out a first version of
> this next week.
> 
> Ben.
> 
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