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Date:	Sat, 16 Oct 2010 22:58:24 +0200
From:	Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...il.com>
To:	Bill Fink <billfink@...dspring.com>
Cc:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Rick Jones <rick.jones2@...com>,
	Steven Brudenell <steven.brudenell@...il.com>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: tbf/htb qdisc limitations

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:51:06AM -0400, Bill Fink wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2010, Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 05:37:46PM -0400, Bill Fink wrote:
> > ...
> > > i7test7% tc -s -d qdisc show dev eth2
> > > qdisc prio 1: root refcnt 33 bands 3 priomap  1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
> > >  Sent 11028687119 bytes 1223828 pkt (dropped 293, overlimits 0 requeues 0) 
> > >  backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 
> > > qdisc tbf 10: parent 1:1 rate 8900Mbit burst 1112500b/64 mpu 0b lat 4295.0s 
> > >  Sent 11028687077 bytes 1223827 pkt (dropped 293, overlimits 593 requeues 0) 
> > >  backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure how you can have so many dropped but not have
> > > any TCP retransmissions (or not show up as requeues).  But
> > > there's probably something basic I just don't understand
> > > about how all this stuff works.
> > 
> > Me either, but it seems higher "limit" might help with these drops.
> 
> You were of course correct about the higher limit helping.
> I finally upgraded the field system to 2.6.35, and did some
> testing on the real data path of interest, which has an RTT
> of about 29 ms.  I set up a rate limit of 8 Gbps using the
> following commands:
> 
> tc qdisc add dev eth2 root handle 1: prio
> tc qdisc add dev eth2 parent 1:1 handle 10: tbf rate 8000mbit limit 35000000 burst 20000 mtu 9000
> tc filter add dev eth2 protocol ip parent 1: prio 1 u32 match ip protocol 6 0xff match ip dst 192.168.1.23 flowid 10:1
> 
> hecn-i7sl1% nuttcp -T10 -i1 -w50m 192.168.1.23
>   676.3750 MB /   1.00 sec = 5673.4646 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.5625 MB /   1.00 sec = 7957.1508 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.8125 MB /   1.00 sec = 7959.5902 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.3750 MB /   1.00 sec = 7955.5382 Mbps     0 retrans
>   949.0000 MB /   1.00 sec = 7960.6696 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.7500 MB /   1.00 sec = 7958.7873 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.6875 MB /   1.00 sec = 7958.0959 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.6250 MB /   1.00 sec = 7957.4205 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.7500 MB /   1.00 sec = 7958.7237 Mbps     0 retrans
>   948.4375 MB /   1.00 sec = 7956.3648 Mbps     0 retrans
> 
>  9270.5625 MB /  10.09 sec = 7707.7457 Mbps 24 %TX 36 %RX 0 retrans 29.38 msRTT
> 
> hecn-i7sl1% tc -s -d qdisc show dev eth2
> qdisc prio 1: root refcnt 33 bands 3 priomap  1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
>  Sent 9779476756 bytes 1084943 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 0 requeues 0) 
>  backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 
> qdisc tbf 10: parent 1:1 rate 8000Mbit burst 19000b/64 mpu 0b lat 35.0ms 
>  Sent 9779476756 bytes 1084943 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 1831360 requeues 0) 
>  backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 
> 
> No drops!
> 
> BTW the effective rate limit seems to be a very coarse adjustment
> at these speeds.  I was seeing some data path issues at 8.9 Gbps
> so I tried setting slightly lower rates such as 8.8 Gbps, 8.7 Gbps,
> etc, but they still gave me an effective rate limit of about 8.9 Gbps.
> It wasn't until I got down to a setting of 8 Gbps that I actually
> got an effective rate limit of 8 Gbps.
> 
> Also the man page for tbf seems to be wrong/misleading about
> the burst parameter.  It states:
> 
> 	"If your buffer is too small, packets may be dropped because more
> 	tokens arrive per timer tick than fit in your bucket.  The minimum
> 	buffer size can be calculated by dividing the rate by HZ.
> 
> According to that, with a rate of 8 Gbps and HZ=1000, the minimum
> burst should be 1000000 bytes.  But my testing shows that a burst
> of just 20000 works just fine.  That's only 2 9000-byte packets
> or about 20 usec of traffic at the 8 Gbps rate.  Using too large
> a value for burst can actually be harmful as it allows the traffic
> to temporarily exceed the desired rate limit.

As I mentioned before, it could work, but your config is really on
the edge. Anyway, if lower than minimum buffer size is needed
something else is definitely wrong. (Btw, this size can matter less
with high resolution timers.) You could try if my iproute patch:
"tc_core: Use double in tc_core_time2tick()" (not merged) can help
here. While googling for this patch I found this page, which might be
interesting to you (besides the link to the thread with the patch at
the end, take 1 or 2, shouldn't matter):

http://code.google.com/p/pspacer/wiki/HTBon10GbE
 
If it doesn't help reconsider hfsc.

Thanks,
Jarek P.
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