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Message-ID: <201010181523.49568.hans.schillstrom@ericsson.com>
Date:	Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:23:48 +0200
From:	Hans Schillstrom <hans.schillstrom@...csson.com>
To:	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@...e.fr>
CC:	"lvs-devel@...r.kernel.org" <lvs-devel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org" <netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"horms@...ge.net.au" <horms@...ge.net.au>, "ja@....bg" <ja@....bg>,
	"wensong@...ux-vs.org" <wensong@...ux-vs.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/9] ipvs network name space aware

On Monday 18 October 2010 13:37:38 Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 10/18/2010 11:54 AM, Hans Schillstrom wrote:
> > On Monday 18 October 2010 10:59:25 Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> >    
> >> On 10/08/2010 01:16 PM, Hans Schillstrom wrote:
> >>      
> >>> This part contains the include files
> >>> where include/net/netns/ip_vs.h is new and contains all moved vars.
> >>>
> >>> SUMMARY
> >>>
> >>>    include/net/ip_vs.h                     |  136 ++++---
> >>>    include/net/net_namespace.h             |    2 +
> >>>    include/net/netns/ip_vs.h               |  112 +++++
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by:Hans Schillstrom<hans.schillstrom@...csson.com>
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>        
> >> [ ... ]
> >>
> >>      
> >>>    #ifdef CONFIG_IP_VS_IPV6
> >>> diff --git a/include/net/net_namespace.h b/include/net/net_namespace.h
> >>> index bd10a79..b59cdc5 100644
> >>> --- a/include/net/net_namespace.h
> >>> +++ b/include/net/net_namespace.h
> >>> @@ -15,6 +15,7 @@
> >>>    #include<net/netns/ipv4.h>
> >>>    #include<net/netns/ipv6.h>
> >>>    #include<net/netns/dccp.h>
> >>> +#include<net/netns/ip_vs.h>
> >>>    #include<net/netns/x_tables.h>
> >>>    #if defined(CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK) || defined(CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MODULE)
> >>>    #include<net/netns/conntrack.h>
> >>> @@ -91,6 +92,7 @@ struct net {
> >>>    	struct sk_buff_head	wext_nlevents;
> >>>    #endif
> >>>    	struct net_generic	*gen;
> >>> +	struct netns_ipvs       *ipvs;
> >>>    };
> >>>
> >>>        
> >> IMHO, it would be better to use the net_generic infra-structure instead
> >> of adding a new field in the netns structure.
> >>
> >>
> >>      
> > I realized that to, but the performance penalty is quite high with net_generic :-(
> > But on the other hand if you are going to backport it, (without recompiling the kernel)
> > you gonna need it!
> >    
> 
> Hmm, yes. We don't want to have the init_net_ns performances to be impacted.
> 
> You use here a pointer which will be dereferenced like the net_generic, 
> I don't think there will be
> a big difference between using net_generic and using a pointer in the 
> net namespace structure.
> 
> The difference is the id usage, but this one is based on the idr which 
> is quite fast.
> 

I'm not so sure about that, have a look at net_generic and rcu_read_lock
and compare   
 ipvs = net->ipvs;
vs.
 ipvs = net_generic(net, id)

static inline void *net_generic(struct net *net, int id)
{
	struct net_generic *ng;
	void *ptr;

	rcu_read_lock();
	ng = rcu_dereference(net->gen);
	BUG_ON(id == 0 || id > ng->len);
	ptr = ng->ptr[id - 1];
	rcu_read_unlock();

	return ptr;
}
...
static inline void rcu_read_lock(void)
{
        __rcu_read_lock();
        __acquire(RCU);
        rcu_read_acquire();
}

Another way of doing it is to pass the ipvs ptr instead of the net ptr,
and add *net to the ipvs struct.

> We should experiment a bit here to compare both solutions.
Agre
> 
I single stepped through the rcu_read_lock() on a x86_64 
and it's quite many "stepi" that you need to enter :-(

> IMHO, we can (1) create a non-pointer netns_ipvs field in the net 
> namespace structure or (2) use a pointer [with net_generic].
> 
> (1) is the faster but with the drawback of having a bigger memory 
> footprint even if the ipvs module is not loaded.
> In this case we have to take care of what we store in the netns_ipvs 
> structure, that is reduce the per namespace table and so. At the first 
> glance, I think we can reduce this to the sysctls and a very few data, 
> for example using global tables tagged with the namespace and we don't 
> break the cacheline alignment optimization.
> 
> (2) is slower but as the memory is allocated and freed when the module 
> is loaded/unloaded. What I don't like with this approach is we add some 
> overhead even if the netns is not compiled in the kernel.
> 
or (3)
 Like (1) with data that needs to be cache aligned in "struct net" 
 and the rest in an ipvs struct.
 Global hash tables or not ? 

> > My sugestion, take both with a configuration switch like:
> > (i.e. avoid the rcu locking)
> >
> > --- net/ip_vs.h ---
> > ...
> > extern int ip_vs_net_id;		/* net id for ip_vs */
> >
> >
> > static inline struct netns_ipvs * net_ipvs(struct net* net, int id) {
> > #ifdef CONFIG_IP_VS_FAST_NETNS
> > 	return net->ipvs;
> > #else
> > 	return (struct netns_ipvs *)net_generic(net, id);
> > #endif
> > }
> > ...
> >
> > and where you need the netns_ipvs struct ptr,
> > [snip]
> > struct ip_vs_conn *ip_vs_conn_in_get(struct net *net, ....
> > {
> > 	struct netns_ipvs *ipvs = net_ipvs(net, ip_vs_net_id);
> > ...
> >    
> 
> It is a nice way to wrap both solutions but at this point I don't think 
> it is worth to add a 3rd option to compile ipvs.
> 
> 

-- 
Regards
Hans Schillstrom <hans.schillstrom@...csson.com>
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