netdev - Re: [ethtool PATCH 2/2] Add RX packet classification interface

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Message-ID: <1299524407.2522.30.camel@bwh-desktop>
Date:	Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:00:07 +0000
From:	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>
To:	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...el.com>
Cc:	Dimitris Michailidis <dm@...lsio.com>,
	Santwona Behera <santwona.behera@....com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ethtool PATCH 2/2] Add RX packet classification interface

On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 10:43 -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On 3/7/2011 10:28 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 10:22 -0800, Dimitris Michailidis wrote:
> >> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:04 -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> >>>> The only time where location really matters is if you are attempting to
> >>>> overwrite an existing rule and I am not sure how that would be handled
> >>>> in ntuple anyway since right now adding additional rules via ntuple for
> >>>> ixgbe just results in duplicate rules being defined.
> >>>
> >>> As I understand it, the location also determines the *priority* for the
> >>> rule.
> >>
> >> This is true, at least for TCAMs.  But it's relevant only when multiple
> >> filters would match a packet.  People often use non-overlapping filters, for
> >> these adding the filter at any available slot is OK.
> >
> > Right.  But ethtool would have to determine that the filter was non-
> > overlapping, before ignoring the location.  Also it cannot allow
> > deletion by location if it ever ignores the location on insertion.  We
> > should make the location optional at both the command-line and API
> > level, but never ignore it.
> >
> 
> I wasn't implying that we ignore it for rules inserted via the nfc 
> interface.  Only for those inserted via the ntuple interface.

We should never fall back to the ntuple interface if a location is
specified!

> My reasoning for that was because it had occurred to me that what my 
> patch series had done is allow for ntuples to be displayed via the 
> get_rx_nfc interface.  As such you would end up with a location being 
> implied when displaying the rules since it would give you a list of n 
> entities.

We need to sort that out then.

> If you attempted to restore the rules you would probably end up with the 
> location information for filters 0..(n-1), and that could be dropped 
> since it would just be extra information.
> 
> >>> Which is why I wrote that "@fs.@...ation specifies the index to
> >>> use and must not be ignored."
> >>>
> >>> To support hardware where the filter table is hash-based rather than a
> >>> TCAM, we would need some kind of flag or special value of location that
> >>> means 'wherever'.
> >>
> >> I'd find the 'wherever' option useful for TCAMs too.  Maybe even have a few
> >> of those, like 'first available', 'any', and 'last available'.  The last one
> >> is quite useful for catch-all rules without requiring one to know the TCAM size.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > Ben.
> 
> The first and last options make a lot of sense to me.  The one I'm not 
> sure about would be the "any" option.  It seems like it would be 
> redundant with the "first available" option or is there something I'm 
> missing?
> 
> Also the code I have currently for the user space is just starting at 0 
> and filling in the rules on a first available basis for location not 
> specified.  Is this going to work for most cases or should I look at 
> changing it to something like a "last available" approach for the nfc 
> based filters?

My *guess* (and this is just a guess) is that users are more likely to
want to specify explicit priorities for the high-priority rules and not
for the low-priority rules.  So if the location is not explicitly set
then we should choose the last available (lowest-priority) location in a
TCAM, possibly excluding the very last location so that 'last' will
still work.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Senior Software Engineer, Solarflare Communications
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.

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