netdev - Re: Need a special way tune TCP IPv6->IPv4 fallback timeout

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Message-ID: <20110324095702.6f6bade0@nehalam>
Date:	Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:57:02 -0700
From:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>
To:	Guillaume Leclanche <guillaume@...lanche.net>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Need a special way tune TCP IPv6->IPv4 fallback timeout

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:23:15 +0100
Guillaume Leclanche <guillaume@...lanche.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> (this is a copy of text I've put in
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23242 for anyone who would
> like to do something with bugzilla).
> 
> When applications call the connect() API, if AAAA record is returned
> and correct routing is present, the system will start a TCP connection
> over IPv6.
> However, if the host is finally unreachable, the system waits until
> the IPv6 TCP connection attempt fails, that is roughly 3 min (5
> retries, backoff, well, you know that). Then it falls back to IPv4.
> 
> Afaik, the only way to tune this timeout of 3 mins in the kernel is
> the tcp_syn_retries sysctl (RTO tuning not available in Linux TCP). By
> setting the value to 2, you can reduce the delay to ~10s which is more
> acceptable, and still 3 SYN are sent.
> 
> In order not to modify uselessly the TCP parameters for standard
> IPv4-only connections at the same time, it would be necessary to have
> a *separate* parameter-set to decrease the v6->v4 fallback delay.
> 
> No idea how feasible this is, nor if it has already been discussed
> here in the past.
> 
> // Not subscribed, please CC me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Guillaume

The best way is to try both at the same time. This trick is known
as "Happy Eyeballs"

  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-v6ops-happy-eyeballs-ipv6-01
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