netdev - Re: [PATCH V5 2/6 net-next] netdevice.h: Add zero-copy flag in netdevice

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Message-ID: <20110518111734.GO7589@redhat.com>
Date:	Wed, 18 May 2011 14:17:34 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Michał Mirosław <mirqus@...il.com>
Cc:	Shirley Ma <mashirle@...ibm.com>,
	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 2/6 net-next] netdevice.h: Add zero-copy flag in
 netdevice

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:10:50PM +0200, Michał Mirosław wrote:
> 2011/5/18 Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com>:
> > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:28:38PM -0700, Shirley Ma wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 23:48 +0200, Michał Mirosław wrote:
> >> > 2011/5/17 Shirley Ma <mashirle@...ibm.com>:
> >> > > Hello Michael,
> >> > >
> >> > > Looks like to use a new flag requires more time/work. I am thinking
> >> > > whether we can just use HIGHDMA flag to enable zero-copy in macvtap
> >> > to
> >> > > avoid the new flag for now since mavctap uses real NICs as lower
> >> > device?
> >> >
> >> > Is there any other restriction besides requiring driver to not recycle
> >> > the skb? Are there any drivers that recycle TX skbs?
> >
> > Not just recycling skbs, keeping reference to any of the pages in the
> > skb. Another requirement is to invoke the callback
> > in a timely fashion.  For example virtio-net doesn't limit the time until
> > that happens (skbs are only freed when some other packet is
> > transmitted), so we need to avoid zcopy for such (nested-virt)
> > scenarious, right?
> 
> Hmm. But every hardware driver supporting SG will keep reference to
> the pages until the packet is sent (or DMA'd to the device). This can
> take a long time if hardware queue happens to stall for some reason.

That's a fundamental property of zero copy transmit.
You can't let the application/guest reuse the memory until
no one looks at it anymore.

> Is it that you mean keeping a reference after all skbs pointing to the
> pages are released?

No one should reference the pages after the callback is invoked, yes.

> >> Not more other restrictions, skb clone is OK. pskb_expand_head() looks
> >> OK to me from code review.
> > Hmm. pskb_expand_head calls skb_release_data while keeping
> > references to pages. How is that ok? What do I miss?
> 
> It's making copy of the skb_shinfo earlier, so the pages refcount
> stays the same.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Michał Mirosław

Exactly. But the callback is invoked so the guest thinks it's ok to
change this memory. If it does a corrupted packet will be sent out.

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MST
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