netdev - Re: [PATCHv2 10/14] virtio_net: limit xmit polling

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Message-ID: <20110523111900.GB27212@redhat.com>
Date:	Mon, 23 May 2011 14:19:00 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Carsten Otte <cotte@...ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
	linux390@...ibm.com, Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>,
	Shirley Ma <xma@...ibm.com>, lguest@...ts.ozlabs.org,
	virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-s390@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
	Krishna Kumar <krkumar2@...ibm.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <tahm@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, steved@...ibm.com,
	habanero@...ux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 10/14] virtio_net: limit xmit polling

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:37:15AM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:10:08 +0300, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:49:59AM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:11:56 +0300, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > Current code might introduce a lot of latency variation
> > > > if there are many pending bufs at the time we
> > > > attempt to transmit a new one. This is bad for
> > > > real-time applications and can't be good for TCP either.
> > > 
> > > Do we have more than speculation to back that up, BTW?
> > 
> > Need to dig this up: I thought we saw some reports of this on the list?
> 
> I think so too, but a reference needs to be here too.
> 
> It helps to have exact benchmarks on what's being tested, otherwise we
> risk unexpected interaction with the other optimization patches.
> 
> > > >  	struct sk_buff *skb;
> > > >  	unsigned int len;
> > > > -
> > > > -	while ((skb = virtqueue_get_buf(vi->svq, &len)) != NULL) {
> > > > +	bool c;
> > > > +	int n;
> > > > +
> > > > +	/* We try to free up at least 2 skbs per one sent, so that we'll get
> > > > +	 * all of the memory back if they are used fast enough. */
> > > > +	for (n = 0;
> > > > +	     ((c = virtqueue_get_capacity(vi->svq) < capacity) || n < 2) &&
> > > > +	     ((skb = virtqueue_get_buf(vi->svq, &len)));
> > > > +	     ++n) {
> > > >  		pr_debug("Sent skb %p\n", skb);
> > > >  		vi->dev->stats.tx_bytes += skb->len;
> > > >  		vi->dev->stats.tx_packets++;
> > > >  		dev_kfree_skb_any(skb);
> > > >  	}
> > > > +	return !c;
> > > 
> > > This is for() abuse :)
> > > 
> > > Why is the capacity check in there at all?  Surely it's simpler to try
> > > to free 2 skbs each time around?
> > 
> > This is in case we can't use indirect: we want to free up
> > enough buffers for the following add_buf to succeed.
> 
> Sure, or we could just count the frags of the skb we're taking out,
> which would be accurate for both cases and far more intuitive.
> 
> ie. always try to free up twice as much as we're about to put in.
> 
> Can we hit problems with OOM?  Sure, but no worse than now...
> The problem is that this "virtqueue_get_capacity()" returns the worst
> case, not the normal case.  So using it is deceptive.
> 

Maybe just document this?

I still believe capacity really needs to be decided
at the virtqueue level, not in the driver.
E.g. with indirect each skb uses a single entry: freeing
1 small skb is always enough to have space for a large one.

I do understand how it seems a waste to leave direct space
in the ring while we might in practice have space
due to indirect. Didn't come up with a nice way to
solve this yet - but 'no worse than now :)'

> > I just wanted to localize the 2+MAX_SKB_FRAGS logic that tries to make
> > sure we have enough space in the buffer. Another way to do
> > that is with a define :).
> 
> To do this properly, we should really be using the actual number of sg
> elements needed, but we'd have to do most of xmit_skb beforehand so we
> know how many.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rusty.

Maybe I'm confused here.  The problem isn't the failing
add_buf for the given skb IIUC.  What we are trying to do here is stop
the queue *before xmit_skb fails*. We can't look at the
number of fragments in the current skb - the next one can be
much larger.  That's why we check capacity after xmit_skb,
not before it, right?

-- 
MST
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