netdev - Re: Skipping past TCP lost packet in userspace

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Message-ID: <1306949723.8149.2202.camel@tardy>
Date:	Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:35:23 -0700
From:	Rick Jones <rick.jones2@...com>
To:	Josh Lehan <linux@...llan.com>
Cc:	Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@...gle.com>, netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	jiyengar@...dm.edu
Subject: Re: Skipping past TCP lost packet in userspace

On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 01:10 -0700, Josh Lehan wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 10:23 AM, Yuchung Cheng wrote:
> > This paper may have a solution to your problem
> > "Minion—an All-Terrain Packet Packhorse to Jump-Start Stalled Internet
> > Transports"
> > http://csweb1.fandm.edu/jiyengar/lair/papers/minion-pfldnet2010.pdf
> 
> Nice, thanks for pointing me to this.  I appreciate the helpful answer,
> instead of just saying "use UDP" or "use SCTP".  That's not the point.
> 
> For better or for worse, TCP is realistically the only viable protocol
> for streaming to the largest possible audience these days, hence my
> question about adding this feature to the Linux TCP implementation.

Isn't that treating the symptoms of problems at layers 8 and 9 (*) with
kludges (perhaps hacks if one is feeling charitable) at the user
interface to layer 4?  Just how many more little bits can we add to the
great pile before the aroma is overpowering?  Or to abuse another
metaphor, is there really any camel's back left here?

And while Linux has had some slightly non-trivial, non-portable
enhancements to its interface to a TCP endpoint (TCP_CORK is something
that comes to mind) I don't think any of them have been anywhere nearly
as large a change to a fundamental semantic of a TCP connection as what
you propose.

rick jones

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