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Date:	Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:15:02 -0500
From:	Brandon Black <>
Cc:	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <>,
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: Add sendmmsg socket system call

Re: the patch in ,
which is now in the 3.0-rc kernels

I was wondering if would it be possible / valid to add support to
sendmmsg() for skipping packets with a zero msg_iovlen?  The use-case
I'm think of here is a daemon that's basically looping on recvmmsg() +
sendmmsg() to cut overhead.  The simplest userspace approach in this
sort of case is to re-use the same mmsg_hdr and set of iov's for both
recvmmsg() and sendmmsg().

Consider this scenario though: It may, for example, receive 8 packets,
parse them in userspace, decide packet #5 is malformed, and then wish
to respond only to packets 1-4,6-8.  However, in order to drop a
response packet from the set with the current sendmmsg()
implementation, the userspace code would have to shift all of the
mmsg_hdr entries down to close the gaps where no response was desired.
 If sendmmsg() had code to simply skip the underlying sendmsg() on
msg_iovlen = 0, it becomes a lot simpler to handle this case.  sendmsg
with a msg_iovlen of zero currently sends a packet with no data (just
UDP headers in the UDP case) it seems.

The arguments against this would be that some applications may have a
use for sending zero-data-bytes packets via this mechanism today
(although there's the alternate path for this with msg_iovlen = 1 and
a zero length for the actual iov within), and the overhead of adding
another branch in the sendmmsg() code.  I suppose there's a middle
route too, where we add a custom flags for sendmmsg() to turn on this
behavior, and leave the default at today's behavior.

Anyone have any thoughts for/against this idea?  Leaving this alone in
the kernel and doing the shifting in userspace isn't too bad a
solution either, but if nobody has a problem with patching in the
"skip on msg_iovlen == 0" behavior it does make the userspace code
cleaner and simpler.

-- Brandon
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