netdev - Re: [PATCH] tcp: bound RTO to minimum

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Message-ID: <4E5620BE.3050102@arndnet.de>
Date:	Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:15:26 +0200
From:	Arnd Hannemann <arnd@...dnet.de>
To:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
CC:	Alexander Zimmermann <alexander.zimmermann@...sys.rwth-aachen.de>,
	Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@...gle.com>,
	Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@...u.net>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Lukowski Damian <damian@....rwth-aachen.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp: bound RTO to minimum

Hi Eric,

Am 25.08.2011 12:02, schrieb Eric Dumazet:
> Le jeudi 25 août 2011 à 11:46 +0200, Arnd Hannemann a écrit :
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Am 25.08.2011 11:09, schrieb Eric Dumazet:
> 
>>> Maybe we should refine the thing a bit, to not reverse backoff unless
>>> rto is > some_threshold.
>>>
>>> Say 10s being the value, that would give at most 92 tries.
>>
>> I personally think that 10s would be too large and eliminate the benefit of the
>> algorithm, so I would prefer a different solution.
>>
>> In case of one bulk data TCP session, which was transmitting hundreds of packets/s
>> before the connectivity disruption those worst case rate of 5 packet/s really
>> seems conservative enough.
>>
>> However in case of a lot of idle connections, which were transmitting only
>> a number of packets per minute. We might increase the rate drastically for
>> a certain period until it throttles down. You say that we have a problem here
>> correct?
>>
>> Do you think it would be possible without much hassle to use a kind of "global"
>> rate limiting only for these probe packets of a TCP connection?
>>
>>> I mean, what is the gain to be able to restart a frozen TCP session with
>>> a 1sec latency instead of 10s if it was blocked more than 60 seconds ?
>>
>> I'm afraid it does a lot, especially in highly dynamic environments. You
>> don't have just the additional latency, you may actually miss the full
>> period where connectivity was there, and then just retransmit into the next
>> connectivity disrupted period.
> 
> Problem with this is that with short and synchronized timers, all
> sessions will flood at the same time and you'll get congestion this
> time.

Why do you think the timers are "syncronized"? If you have congestion
then you will do exponential backoff.

> The reason for exponential backoff is also to smooth the restarts of
> sessions, because timers are randomized.

If the RTO of these sessions were "randomized" they keep this randomization,
even if backoffs are reverted, at least they should.

Best regards
Arnd


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