Message-ID: <20110908110835.GA25984@redhat.com>
Date:	Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:08:35 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Roopa Prabhu <roprabhu@...co.com>
Cc:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, dragos.tatulea@...il.com, arnd@...db.de,
	dwang2@...co.com, benve@...co.com, kaber@...sh.net, sri@...ibm.com,
	davem@...emloft.net, eric.dumazet@...il.com, mchan@...adcom.com,
	kvm@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next-2.6 PATCH 0/3 RFC] macvlan: MAC Address filtering
 support for passthru mode

On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 10:20:28PM -0700, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
> On 9/7/11 5:34 AM, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 03:35:40PM -0700, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
> >> This patch is an attempt at providing address filtering support for macvtap
> >> devices in PASSTHRU mode. Its still a work in progress.
> >> Briefly tested for basic functionality. Wanted to get some feedback on the
> >> direction before proceeding.
> >> 
> > 
> > Good work, thanks.
> > 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> >> I have hopefully CC'ed all concerned people.
> > 
> > kvm crowd might also be interested.
> > Try using ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl as well.
> > 
> Thanks for the tip. Expanded CC list a bit more.
> 
> >> PASSTHRU mode today sets the lowerdev in promiscous mode. In PASSTHRU mode
> >> there is a 1-1 mapping between macvtap device and physical nic or VF. And all
> >> filtering is done in lowerdev hw. The lowerdev does not need to be in
> >> promiscous mode as long as the guest filters are passed down to the lowerdev.
> >> This patch tries to remove the need for putting the lowerdev in promiscous
> >> mode. 
> >> I have also referred to the thread below where TUNSETTXFILTER was mentioned
> >> in 
> >> this context: 
> >>  http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/69297/
> >> 
> >> This patch basically passes the addresses got by TUNSETTXFILTER to macvlan
> >> lowerdev.
> >> 
> >> I have looked at previous work and discussions on this for qemu-kvm
> >> by Michael Tsirkin, Alex Williamson and Dragos Tatulea
> >> http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/78595/
> >> http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/47160/
> >> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/474481/
> >> 
> >> Redhat bugzilla by Michael Tsirkin:
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=655013
> >> 
> >> I used Michael's qemu-kvm patch for testing the changes with KVM
> >> 
> >> I would like to cover both MAC and vlan filtering in this work.
> >> 
> >> Open Questions/Issues:
> >> - There is a need for vlan filtering to complete the patch. It will require
> >>   a new tap ioctl cmd for vlans.
> >>   Some ideas on this are:
> >> 
> >>   a) TUNSETVLANFILTER: This will entail we send the whole vlan bitmap filter
> >> (similar to tun_filter for addresses). Passing the vlan id's to lower
> >> device will mean going thru the whole list of vlans every time.
> >> 
> >>   OR
> >> 
> >>   b) TUNSETVLAN with vlan id and flag to set/unset
> >> 
> >>   Does option 'b' sound ok ?
> >> 
> >> - In this implementation we make the macvlan address list same as the address
> >>   list that came in the filter with TUNSETTXFILTER. This will not cover cases
> >>   where the macvlan device needs to have other addresses that are not
> >>   necessarily in the filter. Is this a problem ?
> > 
> > What cases do you have in mind?
> > 
> This patch targets only macvlan PASSTHRU mode and for PASSTHRU mode I don't
> see a problem with uc/mc address list being the same in all the stacked
> netdevs in the path. I called that out above to make sure I was not missing
> any case in PASSTHRU mode where this might be invalid. Otherwise I don't see
> a problem in the simple PASSTHRU use case this patch supports.
> 
> >> - The patch currently only supports passing of IFF_PROMISC and IFF_MULTICAST
> >> filter flags to lowerdev
> >> 
> >> This patch series implements the following
> >> 01/3 - macvlan: Add support for unicast filtering in macvlan
> >> 02/3 - macvlan: Add function to set addr filter on lower device in passthru
> >> mode
> >> 03/3 - macvtap: Add support for TUNSETTXFILTER
> >> 
> >> Please comment. Thanks.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Roopa Prabhu <roprabhu@...co.com>
> >> Signed-off-by: Christian Benvenuti <benve@...co.com>
> >> Signed-off-by: David Wang <dwang2@...co.com>
> > 
> > The security isn't lower than with promisc, so I don't see
> > a problem with this as such.
> > 
> > There are more features we'll want down the road though,
> > so let's see whether the interface will be able to
> > satisfy them in a backwards compatible way before we
> > set it in stone. Here's what I came up with:
> > 
> > How will the filtering table be partitioned within guests?
> 
> Since this patch supports macvlan PASSTHRU mode only, in which the lower
> device has 1-1 mapping to the guest nic, it does not require any
> partitioning of filtering table within guests. Unless I missed understanding
> something. 
> If the lower device were being shared by multiple guest network interfaces
> (non PASSTHRU mode), only then we will need to maintain separate filter
> tables for each guest network interface in macvlan and forward the pkt to
> respective guest interface after a filter lookup. This could affect
> performance too I think.

Not with hardware filtering support. Which is where we'd need to
partition the host nic mac table between guests.

> I chose to support PASSTHRU Mode only at first because its simpler and all
> code additions are in control path only.

I agree. It would be a bit silly to have a dedicated interface
for passthough and a completely separate one for
non passthrough.

> > 
> > A way to limit what the guest can do would also be useful.
> > How can this be done? selinux?
> 
> I vaguely remember a thread on the same context.. had a suggestion to
> maintain pre-approved address lists and allow guest filter registration of
> only those addresses for security. This seemed reasonable. Plus the ability
> to support additional address registration from guest could be made
> configurable (One of your ideas again from prior work).
> 
> I am not an selinux expert, but I am thinking we can use it to only allow or
> disallow access or operations to the macvtap device. (?). I will check more
> on this.

We'd have to have a way to revoke that as well.

> > 
> > Any thoughts on spoofing filtering?
> 
> I can only think of checking addresses against an allowed address list.
> Don't know of any other ways. Any hints ?

Hardware (esp SRIOV) often has ways to do this check, too.

> 
> In any case I am assuming all the protection/security measures should be
> taken at the layer calling the TUNSETTXFILTER ie..In macvtap virtualization
> use case its libvirt or qemu-kvm. No ?

Ideally we'd have a way to separate these capabilities, so that libvirt
can override qemu.

> > 
> > Would it be possible to make the filtering programmable
> > using netlink, e.g. ethtool, ip, or some such?
> 
> Should be possible via ethtool or ip calling ioctl TUNSETTXFILTER. Are you
> thinking of macvlan having a netlink interface to set filter and not ioctl
> ?. Sure.

Yes.

> But I was thinking the point of implementing TUNSETTXFILTER was to
> maintain compatibility with the generic tap interface that does the same
> thing. 

Yes. OTOH I don't think anyone uses that ATM so it might not
be important if it's not a good fit.
E.g. we could notify libvirt and have it use netlink for us
if we like that better.

> And having both the netlink op and ioctl interface might not be clean ?.

No idea.

> Sorry if I misunderstood your question.
> 
> > That would make this useful for bridged setups besides
> > macvtap/virtualization.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the comments. 
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