netdev - Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available

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Date:	Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:04:02 -0500 (EST)
From:	"John A. Sullivan III" <jsullivan@...nsourcedevel.com>
To:	Niccolò Belli <darkbasic@...uxsystems.it>
Cc:	netfilter@...r.kernel.org,
	Linux Networking Developer Mailing List 
	<netdev@...r.kernel.org>, lartc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niccolò Belli" <darkbasic@...uxsystems.it>
> To: lartc@...r.kernel.org
> Cc: netfilter@...r.kernel.org, "Linux Networking Developer Mailing List" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:13:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Announce] LARTC wiki available
> 
> Il 29/12/2011 17:19, Hagen Paul Pfeifer ha scritto:
> > But I don't like the idea to outhouse the existing wiki. Why two
> > wikis?
> 
> Because if you need an invite to edit something then it isn't a wiki
> anymore, for example.
> 
> 
> > What happened with the wiki server if you leave the university?
> 
> This isn't a problem, because relocating would be as simple as doing
> a
> database dump. Releasing dumps publicly wouldn't be a problem too.
> Also,
> there is no reason to keep using my servers when better alternatives
> arise. I created the wiki in a dedicated server because I didn't find
> viable alternatives (unlike for the mailing list) and considering the
> few feedbacks I received hopefully doing something tangible would
> create
> more interest: I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks there
> isn't enough documentation for the *end user*.
> 
> > So maybe the user
> > restriction on linuxfoundation.org should be changed?
> 
> Yes, IMHO.
> 
> > https://www.wiki.kernel.org/.
> 
> It seems a wiki for a kernel hacker, not for the end user.
> 
> P.S.
> Feedbacks are welcome, if there is no interest at all maybe we should
> just discard the idea after all.
> 
> <snip>
I can certainly concur that there is a lack of end user documentation.  I have found the net devs extremely helpful and am deeply grateful for their support but I do sometimes chuckle because the documentation and the responses are written from such a developer's context.  Of course, that is entirely expected and I don't mean the least bit of disrespect; I stand in complete awe of the net devs.

But the needs and perspectives of net devs and system engineers/admins are very different and rightly so.  So, I'd love to see a hybrid environment where we have the best of both worlds (but where sys admin types don't feel completely lost and overwhelmed).  Thanks, all - John
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