netdev - RE: [net-next 8/9] ixgbe: add interface to export thermal data

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Date:	Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:25:09 +0000
From:	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>
To:	"Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P" <peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@...el.com>
CC:	Michal Miroslaw <mirqus@...il.com>,
	"Skidmore, Donald C" <donald.c.skidmore@...el.com>,
	"Kirsher, Jeffrey T" <jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com>,
	"davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"gospo@...hat.com" <gospo@...hat.com>,
	"sassmann@...hat.com" <sassmann@...hat.com>
Subject: RE: [net-next 8/9] ixgbe: add interface to export thermal data

On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 18:20 +0000, Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Hutchings [mailto:bhutchings@...arflare.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:09 AM
> > To: Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
> > Cc: Michal Miroslaw; Skidmore, Donald C; Kirsher, Jeffrey T;
> > davem@...emloft.net; netdev@...r.kernel.org; gospo@...hat.com;
> > sassmann@...hat.com
> > Subject: RE: [net-next 8/9] ixgbe: add interface to export thermal data
> > 
> > On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 17:55 +0000, Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michał Mirosław [mailto:mirqus@...il.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:51 PM
> > > > To: Skidmore, Donald C
> > > > Cc: Ben Hutchings; Kirsher, Jeffrey T; davem@...emloft.net;
> > > > netdev@...r.kernel.org; gospo@...hat.com; sassmann@...hat.com;
> > > > Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
> > > > Subject: Re: [net-next 8/9] ixgbe: add interface to export thermal
> > > > data
> > > >
> > > > Drivers outside of drivers/hwmon just select HWMON in Kconfig. This
> > > > adds a 3kB .c file to the kernel build for the first one that needs it.
> > >
> > > This is where we run into issues though.  We can put this dependency
> > > in, but customers don't pull upstream kernels, they rely on the OSV's
> > > to distribute updates.  The customer doesn't want HWMON, and if their
> > > kernel doesn't ship with HWMON support for ixgbe, then we're sunk.
> > 
> > So if !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_HWMON), don't try to create an hwmon device,
> > but create the attributes anyway.
> 
> And if CONFIG_HWMON is not enabled, are we then responsible for
> creating the hwmon area in sysfs to link in our attributes?  That
> would make even less sense to include HWMON attributes if HWMON isn't
> built in.

No, the attributes actually appear under the parent device.

> > > The point is what we're trying to implement, based on what our customers'
> > > requirements are, is something completely different than what HWMON is
> > > providing.  Trying to wedge HWMON onto this framework we're trying to
> > > provide just overcomplicates the entire thing we're trying to provide.
> > > It's a generic interface to generic data in our drivers,
> > [...]
> > 
> > It sounds like you want to provide a "generic" ixgbe interface on different
> > operating systems.  But that is not a valid argument for an in-tree driver.
> 
> No, we're trying to provide a generic ixgbe interface on Linux
> systems.  The reality is different OSV's pull our driver from upstream
> to build their distros,

Yes we know.

[...]
> The reality is these attributes of our thermal sensors are about 5% of
> the data we need to export.
[...]

And I think all you need to do is (1) give these particular attributes
the right names and (2) create a child hwmon device if possible.  Is
that so hard?

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Staff Engineer, Solarflare
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.

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