netdev - Re: [PATCH 0/10] af_unix: add multicast and filtering features to AF

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Message-ID: <4F4FAC7E.2090604@collabora.co.uk>
Date:	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:06:06 +0100
From:	Javier Martinez Canillas <javier.martinez@...labora.co.uk>
To:	Luiz Augusto von Dentz <luiz.dentz@...il.com>
CC:	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
	Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo.moya@...labora.co.uk>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, javier@...labora.co.uk,
	lennart@...ttering.net, kay.sievers@...y.org,
	alban.crequy@...labora.co.uk, bart.cerneels@...labora.co.uk,
	sjoerd.simons@...labora.co.uk, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/10] af_unix: add multicast and filtering features to
 AF_UNIX

On 03/01/2012 05:02 PM, Luiz Augusto von Dentz wrote:
> Hi Javier,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Javier Martinez Canillas
> <javier.martinez@...labora.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you think multicast sockets is the way to go, then you could
>>> setup a virtual network just to be able to use AF_INET multicast.
>>>
>>> Thats probably doable without kernel patching.
>>>
>>
>> We could use AF_INET multicast on a local machine but we need some
>> ordering and control flow requirements that are not guaranteed on UDP
>> multicast over IP. That's why we thought to add a new address family
>> AF_MCAST.
> 
> I don't want to sound like a broken record, but Im afraid I have to,
> what about Ancillary Messages, how you are going to support passing
> fd? Actually the whole virtual network sounds like a bad idea, are we
> going to give ips to each and every application connected to the bus,
> actually it is necessary to have one virtual network for each bus.
> 
> Contrary to someones believes I don't think AF_INET is that fast (e.g.
> http://scottmoonen.com/2008/04/05/a-performance-comparison-of-af_unix-with-loopback-on-linux/)
> 
> 

You are right. Ancillary messages are PF_UNIX specific and also some
D-bus applications use fd passing for out-of-band communication. So,
using multicast on AF_INET will break these applications.

Regards,
Javier
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