netdev - Re: [PATCH] net/vlan: withdraw VLAN ID attribute from GVRP on VLAN device stop

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Date:	Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:50:16 -0400
From:	"Ward, David - 0663 - MITLL" <david.ward@...mit.edu>
To:	"jorge@...2.net" <jorge@...2.net>
CC:	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net/vlan: withdraw VLAN ID attribute from GVRP on VLAN
 device stop

On 26/03/12 11:14, Jorge Boncompte [DTI2] wrote:
> El 26/03/2012 15:38, Ward, David - 0663 - MITLL escribió:
>> On 26/03/12 07:29, Jorge Boncompte [DTI2] wrote:
>>> El 26/03/2012 0:43, David Ward escribió:
>>>> When a VLAN device is stopped which has VLAN_FLAG_GVRP set, the VLAN
>>>> ID attribute that was previously declared by GVRP must be withdrawn.
>>>>
>>> 	Hmm, maybe I am missing something but I think it only makes sense to withdrawn
>>> the attribute when you delete the interface, and vlan_dev_stop() it's called if
>>> you just put the interface down. It's better for the network convergence to not
>>> signal the switches just for this. IMHO.
>> If I bring a VLAN interface down, then I stop participating in the
>> VLAN.  If my NIC still receives traffic for the VLAN, I drop it.  So to
>> remove unnecessary load on the (potentially shared) network link and
>> remove unnecessary local processing by the kernel of packets I know I am
>> going to drop, I should tell the switch that I am no longer interested
>> in receiving the VLAN traffic.  Which is the whole point of GVRP.  Right?
> 	In the non-GVRP case, as far as i can see, you still receive the traffic for
> that VLAN and the kernel drops it.
But this is why GVRP is advantageous.  I don't have to have a static 
configuration on the switch for the VLANs I am participating in, and so 
I only receive VLAN traffic when the VLAN interface is active and I 
would actually process it.

>   Maybe is that I think that a downed interface
> it's more a transient state, and administratively choosen one. If you don't want
> to participate in that VLAN, you always can disable GVRP on it or delete the
> interface.
>
>> In any case, we currently register the attribute when the interface is
>> brought up, not when it is created.
> 	And that makes sense to me, if you have never uped the interface you have never
> participated in that VLAN.

If I create an interface that is initially down, then bring it up, and 
finally bring it back down, I think it should return to the state it was 
in initially.  So in my opinion, either the GVRP attribute should exist 
while the interface is down, or it shouldn't.

For comparison, bringing a physical NIC interface down causes the other 
end of a point-to-point Ethernet link to sense "no carrier", which could 
trigger a topology change on the switch.  So to me, it's semantically 
the same that bringing a VLAN interface down could trigger a topology 
change on the switch.

If your concern is about the effect on the network switching topology of 
brief periods in which you bring the VLAN interface down (in order to 
move it to another namespace), keep in mind that the default LeaveTimer 
is 600 ms so the switch wouldn't propagate any topology changes unless 
you don't bring the interface back up by then.  Or you could consider 
changing this timer on your switch.

David

>>   However we do it, the attribute
>> declaration/withdrawal should be symmetric.
>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: David Ward<david.ward@...mit.edu>
>>>> ---
>>>>    net/8021q/vlan_dev.c |    3 +++
>>>>    1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/net/8021q/vlan_dev.c b/net/8021q/vlan_dev.c
>>>> index 9988d4a..df86dd0 100644
>>>> --- a/net/8021q/vlan_dev.c
>>>> +++ b/net/8021q/vlan_dev.c
>>>> @@ -319,6 +319,9 @@ static int vlan_dev_stop(struct net_device *dev)
>>>>    	struct vlan_dev_priv *vlan = vlan_dev_priv(dev);
>>>>    	struct net_device *real_dev = vlan->real_dev;
>>>>
>>>> +	if (vlan->flags&   VLAN_FLAG_GVRP)
>>>> +		vlan_gvrp_request_leave(dev);
>>>> +
>>>>    	dev_mc_unsync(real_dev, dev);
>>>>    	dev_uc_unsync(real_dev, dev);
>>>>    	if (dev->flags&   IFF_ALLMULTI)--
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>


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