netdev - Re: [net-next RFC] pktgen: don't wait for the device who doesn't free skb immediately after sent

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Date:	Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:30:13 +0200
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>, rusty@...tcorp.com.au,
	davem@...emloft.net, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [net-next RFC] pktgen: don't wait for the device who doesn't
 free skb immediately after sent

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 06:13:13PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 08:53:05 AM Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:48:52 +0800
> > 
> > Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/28/2012 12:49 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:45:13 +0800
> > > > 
> > > > Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > >> On 11/27/2012 01:37 AM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:56:52 +0800
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Some deivces do not free the old tx skbs immediately after it has
> > > >>>> been sent
> > > >>>> (usually in tx interrupt). One such example is virtio-net which
> > > >>>> optimizes for virt and only free the possible old tx skbs during the
> > > >>>> next packet sending. This would lead the pktgen to wait forever in
> > > >>>> the refcount of the skb if no other pakcet will be sent afterwards.
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Solving this issue by introducing a new flag IFF_TX_SKB_FREE_DELAY
> > > >>>> which could notify the pktgen that the device does not free skb
> > > >>>> immediately after it has been sent and let it not to wait for the
> > > >>>> refcount to be one.
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Another alternative would be using skb_orphan() and skb->destructor.
> > > >>> There are other cases where skb's are not freed right away.
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> > > >> 
> > > >> Hi Stephen:
> > > >> 
> > > >> Do you mean registering a skb->destructor for pktgen then set and check
> > > >> bits in skb->tx_flag?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes. Register a destructor that does something like update a counter
> > > > (number of packets pending), then just spin while number of packets
> > > > pending is over threshold.
> > > > --
> > > 
> > > Not sure this is the best method, since pktgen was used to test the tx
> > > process of the device driver and NIC. If we use skb_orhpan(), we would
> > > miss the test of tx completion part.
> > 
> > There are other places that delay freeing and your solution would mean
> > finding and fixing all those. Code that does that already has to use
> > skb_orphan() to work, and I was looking for a way that could use that.
> > Introducing another flag value seems like a long term burden.
> > 
> 
> Get the point, will draft another version.
>
> > Alternatively, virtio could do cleanup more aggressively. Maybe in response
> > to ring getting half full, or add a cleanup timer or something to avoid the
> > problem.

Timer would prevent complete deadlock but it is very expensive
in the virt scenario.
pulling at ring half full would only help if ring gets half full :)
which it does not have to.

> 
> May worth to try. Another method is that virtio has a feature to notify guest 
> when tx ring is empty, we could free the old tx skbs there.
> But it may brings 
> extra overhead. If we could let virtio_net free the old tx skb timely, it 
> would be easier to bring BQL support to virtio_net also.
> 
> Thanks

We used to use notify on empty - it's still very slow.

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