Message-ID: <50C580E6.7030905@windriver.com>
Date:	Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:27:50 +0800
From:	Ying Xue <ying.xue@...driver.com>
To:	Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>
CC:	Jon Maloy <jon.maloy@...csson.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@...driver.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ying Xue <ying.xue@...driver.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 03/10] tipc: sk_recv_queue size check only for
 connectionless sockets

Neil Horman wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 05:30:11PM -0500, Jon Maloy wrote:
>   
>> On 12/07/2012 02:20 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
>>     
>>> On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 09:28:11AM -0500, Paul Gortmaker wrote:
>>>       
>>>> From: Ying Xue <ying.xue@...driver.com>
>>>>
>>>> The sk_receive_queue limit control is currently performed for
>>>> all arriving messages, disregarding socket and message type.
>>>> But for connected sockets this check is redundant, since the protocol
>>>> flow control already makes queue overflow impossible.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Can you explain where that occurs?  
>>>       
>> It happens in the functions port_dispatcher_sigh() and tipc_send(), 
>> among other places. Both are to be found in the file port.c, which 
>> was supposed to contain the 'generic' (i.e., API independent) part 
>> of the send/receive code.
>> Now that we have only one API left, the socket API, we are 
>> planning to merge the code in socket.c and port.c, and get rid of 
>> some code overhead.
>>
>> The flow control in TIPC is message based, where the sender
>> requires to receive an explicit acknowledge message for each 
>> 512 message the receiver reads to user space.
>> If the sender has more than 1024 messages outstanding without having
>> received an acknowledge he will be suspended or receive EAGAIN until 
>> he does.
>> The plan going forward is to replace this mechanism with a more 
>> standard looking byte based flow control, while maintaining 
>> backwards compatibility.
>>
>>     
> Ok, That makes more sense, thank you.  Although I still don't think this is
> safe (but the problem may not be solely introduced by this patch).  Using a
> global limit that assumes the sender will block when the congestion window is
> reached just doesn't seem sane to me.  It clearly works with the Linux
> implementation, as it conforms to your expectations, but an alternate
> implementation could create a DOS situation by simply ignoring the window limit,
> and continuing to send.  I see that we drop frames over the global limit in
> filter_rcv, but the check in rx_queue_full bumps up that limit based on the
> value of msg_importance(msg), but that threshold is ignored if the value of
> msg_importance is invalid.  All a sender needs to do is flood a receiver with
> frames containing an invalid set of message importance bits, and you will queue
> frames indefinately.  In fact that will also happen if you send message of
> CRITICAL importance as well, so you don't even need to supply an invalid value
> here.
>
>   

You are absolutely right. I will correct these drawbacks in next version.

>>> I see where the tipc dispatch function calls
>>> sk_add_backlog, which checks the per socket recieve queue (regardless of weather
>>> the receiving socket is connection oriented or connectionless), but if the
>>> receiver doesn't call receive very often, This just adds a check against your
>>> global limit, doing nothing for your per-socket limits. 
>>>       
>> OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE is tested against a per-socket message counter, so it _is_
>> our per-socket limit. In fact, TIPC connectionless overflow control currently 
>> is a kind of a hybrid, based on a message counter when the socket is not locked, 
>> and based on sk_rcv_queue's byte limit when a message has to be added to the 
>> backlog.
>> We are planning to fix this inconsistency too.
>>     
> Good, thank you,  that was seeming quite wrong to me.
>
>   
>>  In fact it seems to
>>     
>>> repeat the same check twice, as in the worst case of the incomming message being
>>> TIPC_LOW_IMPORTANCE, its just going to check that the global limit is exactly
>>> OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE/2 again.
>>>       
>> Yes, you are right. The intention is that only the first test, 
>> if (unlikely(recv_q_len >= (OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE / 2)){..}
>> will be run for the vast majority of messages, since we must assume
>> that there is no overload most of the time.
>> An inelegant optimization, perhaps, but not logically wrong.
>>     
> No, not logically wrong, but not an optimization either.  With this change,
> your only use of rx_queue_full passes OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE/2 as the base value to
> rx_queue_full, and then you do some multiplication based on that.  If you really
> want to optimize this, leave OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE where it is (rather than
> doubling it like this patch series does), mark rx_queue_full as inline, and just
> pass OVERLOAD_LIMIT_BASE as the argument, it will save you a division opration,
> the conditional branch and a call instruction.  If you add a multiplication
> factor table, you can eliminate the if/else clauses in rx_queue_full as well.
>
>   

Good suggestion with a factor table. Maybe it's unnecessary to 
explicitly mark rx_queue_full as inline. Currently it sounds like we let 
complier decide whether a function is defined as inline or not.

Regards,
Ying

> Neil
>
>   
>> ///jon
>>
>>     
>>> Neil
>>>
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