netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/5] Ease netns management for userland

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Message-ID: <50D18D17.4060502@6wind.com>
Date:	Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:47:03 +0100
From:	Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@...nd.com>
To:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, davem@...emloft.net, aatteka@...ira.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/5] Ease netns management for userland

Le 14/12/2012 17:50, Eric W. Biederman a écrit :
> Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@...nd.com> writes:
>
>> Le 13/12/2012 20:08, Eric W. Biederman a écrit :
>
>>> No.  The difficulty monitoring which network namespaces are being used
>>> is an unintended side effect.
>> Why is netlink a bad idea? Having a way to know all existing netns is a start
>> point to monitor netns, isn't it?
>
> In the same way that having a neighbour table that contains all existing
> ip address to mac addresses mappings is a starting point to monitor all
> existing hosts.
>
> All does not scale.
>
> All removes a lot of perfectly valid use cases like checkpoint-restart,
> and nesting containers.
>
> All as different from what is already implemented requires implementing
> yet another namespace to put the names of all into it.  We have enough
> namespaces now thank you very much.
>
> An unfiltered global list is about as interesting to use as putting
> all files in /.  Sure you know which directory you put your file in but
> which file is it?
>
> What has already been implemented should be roughly as good for
> monitoring as what is available with lsof.
>
> And of course there is the fact that a global list of anything that is
> the same from every perspective violates the principle of relativity,
> and is in contradiction with the phsical reality in which we exist.
>
> So there is no way that having a global all inclusive list of network
> namespaces makes the least lick of sense and I really don't want to
> think about it.

Thank you for your explanations and your patience, this is very useful.


Nicolas
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