Message-ID: <20130115103141.00001e96@unknown>
Date:	Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:31:41 -0800
From:	Greg Rose <gregory.v.rose@...el.com>
To:	Andy Gospodarek <andy@...yhouse.net>
CC:	"Williams, Mitch A" <mitch.a.williams@...el.com>,
	Stefan Assmann <sassmann@...nic.de>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net" 
	<e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [E1000-devel] [PATCH net-next] igbvf: fix setting
 addr_assign_type if PF is up

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:25:42 -0500
Andy Gospodarek <andy@...yhouse.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 01:37:45PM -0800, Greg Rose wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:56:36 +0000
> > "Williams, Mitch A" <mitch.a.williams@...el.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > >> When the PF is up and igbvf is loaded the MAC address is not
> > > > >> generated using eth_hw_addr_random(). This results in
> > > > >> addr_assign_type not to be set.
> > > > >> Make sure it gets set.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > NAK - In this case, the address may or may not be random. The
> > > > > user may have (and should have!) explicitly set this address
> > > > > from the host to ensure that the VF device receives the same
> > > > > address each time it
> > > > boots.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe you can give me some advice on this then. Why is there
> > > > different behaviour depending on the PF being up or down? The
> > > > problem I'm facing is that if the user did not set a MAC address
> > > > for the VF manually and the PF is up during igbvf_probe it will
> > > > not be labelled as random although it is.
> > > > What about checking IGB_VF_FLAG_PF_SET_MAC and only set
> > > > NET_ADDR_RANDOM if the flag is cleared?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > The difference in behavior is because we cannot get any MAC
> > > address at all if the PF is down. The interface won't operate at
> > > all in this case, but if the PF comes up sometime later, we can
> > > start working. The other alternative is to leave the MAC address
> > > as all zeros and forcing the user to assign an address manually.
> > > We chose to use a random address to at least give it a chance of
> > > working once the PF woke up.
> > 
> > Having been around at the inception of SR-IOV in Linux I recall that
> > the primary reason we used a random ethernet address was so
> > that the VF could at least work because there was no infrastructure
> > to allow the host administrator to set the MAC address of the VF.
> > This hobbled testing and validation because the user would have to
> > go to each VM and use a command local to the VM to set the VF MAC
> > address to some LAA via ifconfig or ip.  When testing large numbers
> > of VFs this was a definite pain.
> > 
> > Now that has changed and I wonder if maybe we shouldn't back out the
> > random ethernet address assignment and go ahead with all zeros,
> > leaving the device non-functional until the user has intentionally
> > set either an LAA through the VF itself, or an administratively
> > assigned MAC through the ip tool via the PF.
> > 
> > Use of the random MAC address is not recommended by Intel's own best
> > known methods literature, it was used mostly so that we could get
> > the technology working and it should probably be at least
> > considered for deprecation or out right elimination.
> > 
> 
> It would be great to remove the bits that created random MAC addresses
> for VFs, but wouldn't that break Linus' rule to "not break userspace"
> if it was removed?

It may, I'm not sure but before we make any changes we'd want to do our
due diligence.

> 
> There are 2 options that immediately come to mind when looking to
> resolve this: 
> 
> 1.  Use some of the left-over bits in the mailbox messages to pass
> along a flag with the E1000_VF_RESET messages to indicate whether the
> MAC was randomly generated.  This would be pretty easy, but there
> could be compatibility issues for a while.

We recently introduced the concept of mailbox message API versions in
our PF and VF drivers to handle this sort of thing.  We could probably
leverage that method to introduce a new API version that supports the
additional bits in the reset message.  It would only be used if the VF
could negotiate to the proper mailbox message API version with the PF.

> 
> 2.  Default to a MAC address of all zeros, and as a device with
> all-zeros for a MAC is brought up, randomly create one with
> eth_hw_addr_random.  This may not immediately help cases where device
> assignment are a problem, but it would ensure that any device with a
> random MAC as assigned by the kernel, would have NET_ADDR_RANDOM set
> in addr_assign_type.

Thanks for the suggestions.  We're considering some changes in this
area but we (Intel) need to give this a lot of thought and right now
we're just in a preliminary discussion mode about it.  Stay tuned.

- Greg

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