netdev - Re: [PATCH v5 04/45] percpu_rwlock: Implement the core design of Per-CPU Reader-Writer Locks

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Message-ID: <20130210221357.GN2666@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:13:57 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>, tglx@...utronix.de,
	peterz@...radead.org, tj@...nel.org, rusty@...tcorp.com.au,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 04/45] percpu_rwlock: Implement the core design of
 Per-CPU Reader-Writer Locks

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 01:39:24AM +0530, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> On 02/11/2013 01:20 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 02/11, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> >>
> >> On 02/10/2013 11:36 PM, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >>>>> +static void announce_writer_inactive(struct percpu_rwlock *pcpu_rwlock)
> >>>>> +{
> >>>>> +   unsigned int cpu;
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +   drop_writer_signal(pcpu_rwlock, smp_processor_id());
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do we drop ourselves twice?  More to the point, why is it important to
> >>>> drop ourselves first?
> >>>
> >>> And don't we need mb() _before_ we clear ->writer_signal ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh, right! Or, how about moving announce_writer_inactive() to _after_
> >> write_unlock()?
> > 
> > Not sure this will help... but, either way it seems we have another
> > problem...
> > 
> > percpu_rwlock tries to be "generic". This means we should "ignore" its
> > usage in hotplug, and _write_lock should not race with _write_unlock.
> > 
> 
> Yes, good point!
> 
> > IOW. Suppose that _write_unlock clears ->writer_signal. We need to ensure
> > that this can't race with another write which wants to set this flag.
> > Perhaps it should be counter as well, and it should be protected by
> > the same ->global_rwlock, but _write_lock() should drop it before
> > sync_all_readers() and then take it again?
> 
> Hmm, or we could just add an extra mb() like you suggested, and keep it
> simple...
> 
> > 
> >>>>> +static inline void sync_reader(struct percpu_rwlock *pcpu_rwlock,
> >>>>> +			       unsigned int cpu)
> >>>>> +{
> >>>>> +	smp_rmb(); /* Paired with smp_[w]mb() in percpu_read_[un]lock() */
> >>>>
> >>>> As I understand it, the purpose of this memory barrier is to ensure
> >>>> that the stores in drop_writer_signal() happen before the reads from
> >>>> ->reader_refcnt in reader_uses_percpu_refcnt(), thus preventing the
> >>>> race between a new reader attempting to use the fastpath and this writer
> >>>> acquiring the lock.  Unless I am confused, this must be smp_mb() rather
> >>>> than smp_rmb().
> >>>
> >>> And note that before sync_reader() we call announce_writer_active() which
> >>> already adds mb() before sync_all_readers/sync_reader, so this rmb() looks
> >>> unneeded.
> >>>
> >>
> >> My intention was to help the writer see the ->reader_refcnt drop to zero
> >> ASAP; hence I used smp_wmb() at reader and smp_rmb() here at the writer.
> > 
> > Hmm, interesting... Not sure, but can't really comment. However I can
> > answer your next question:
> 
> Paul told me in another mail that I was expecting too much out of memory
> barriers, like increasing the speed of electrons and what not ;-)
> [ It would have been cool though, if it had such magical powers :P ]

"But because you have used the special mb_tachyonic instruction, the
speed of light is 600,000 km/s for the next five clock cycles"...  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

> >> Please correct me if my understanding of memory barriers is wrong here..
> > 
> > Who? Me??? No we have paulmck for that ;)
> >
> 
> Haha ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Srivatsa S. Bhat
> 

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