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Date:	Sat, 02 Mar 2013 01:50:35 +0800
From:	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@...fujitsu.com>
To:	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 04/46] percpu_rwlock: Implement the core design of
 Per-CPU Reader-Writer Locks

On 28/02/13 05:19, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> On 02/27/2013 06:03 AM, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Srivatsa S. Bhat
>> <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> On 02/26/2013 09:55 PM, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Srivatsa S. Bhat
>>>> <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lai,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really not convinced that piggy-backing on lglocks would help
>>>>> us in any way. But still, let me try to address some of the points
>>>>> you raised...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/26/2013 06:29 PM, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Srivatsa S. Bhat
>>>>>> <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/26/2013 05:47 AM, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Srivatsa S. Bhat
>>>>>>>> <srivatsa.bhat@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Lai,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 02/25/2013 09:23 PM, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Srivatsa,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The target of the whole patchset is nice for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool! Thanks :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I see quite a few issues with the code above. IIUC, the
>>>>>>> writer and the reader both increment the same counters. So how will the
>>>>>>> unlock() code in the reader path know when to unlock which of the locks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same as your code, the reader(which nested in write C.S.) just dec
>>>>>> the counters.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that works fine in my case because the writer and the reader update
>>>>> _two_ _different_ counters.
>>>>
>>>> I can't find any magic in your code, they are the same counter.
>>>>
>>>>         /*
>>>>          * It is desirable to allow the writer to acquire the percpu-rwlock
>>>>          * for read (if necessary), without deadlocking or getting complaints
>>>>          * from lockdep. To achieve that, just increment the reader_refcnt of
>>>>          * this CPU - that way, any attempt by the writer to acquire the
>>>>          * percpu-rwlock for read, will get treated as a case of nested percpu
>>>>          * reader, which is safe, from a locking perspective.
>>>>          */
>>>>         this_cpu_inc(pcpu_rwlock->rw_state->reader_refcnt);
>>>>
>>>
>>> Whoa! Hold on, were you really referring to _this_ increment when you said
>>> that, in your patch you would increment the refcnt at the writer? Then I guess
>>> there is a major disconnect in our conversations. (I had assumed that you were
>>> referring to the update of writer_signal, and were just trying to have a single
>>> refcnt instead of reader_refcnt and writer_signal).
>>
>> https://github.com/laijs/linux/commit/53e5053d5b724bea7c538b11743d0f420d98f38d
>>
>> Sorry the name "fallback_reader_refcnt" misled you.
>>
> [...]
> 
>>>> All I was considered is "nested reader is seldom", so I always
>>>> fallback to rwlock when nested.
>>>> If you like, I can add 6 lines of code, the overhead is
>>>> 1 spin_try_lock()(fast path)  + N  __this_cpu_inc()
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that calculation is no longer valid, considering that
>>> we just discussed how the per-cpu refcnt that you were using is quite
>>> unnecessary and can be removed.
>>>
>>> IIUC, the overhead with your code, as per above discussion would be:
>>> 1 spin_try_lock() [non-nested] + N read_lock(global_rwlock).
>>
>> https://github.com/laijs/linux/commit/46334544bb7961550b7065e015da76f6dab21f16
>>
>> Again, I'm so sorry the name "fallback_reader_refcnt" misled you.
>>
> 
> At this juncture I really have to admit that I don't understand your
> intentions at all. What are you really trying to prove? Without giving
> a single good reason why my code is inferior, why are you even bringing
> up the discussion about a complete rewrite of the synchronization code?
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.cross-arch/17103
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.power-management.general/31345
> 
> I'm beginning to add 2 + 2 together based on the kinds of questions you
> have been asking...
> 
> You posted a patch in this thread and started a discussion around it without
> even establishing a strong reason to do so. Now you point me to your git
> tree where your patches have even more traces of ideas being borrowed from
> my patchset (apart from my own ideas/code, there are traces of others' ideas
> being borrowed too - for example, it was Oleg who originally proposed the
> idea of splitting up the counter into 2 parts and I'm seeing that it is
> slowly crawling into your code with no sign of appropriate credits).
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network/260288
> 
> And in reply to my mail pointing out the performance implications of the
> global read_lock at the reader side in your code, you said you'll come up
> with a comparison between that and my patchset.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network/260288
> The issue has been well-documented in my patch description of patch 4.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1443258
> 
> Are you really trying to pit bits and pieces of my own ideas/versions
> against one another and claiming them as your own?
> 
> You projected the work involved in handling the locking issues pertaining
> to CPU_DYING notifiers etc as a TODO, despite the fact that I had explicitly
> noted in my cover letter that I had audited and taken care of all of them.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.documentation/9727
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.documentation/9520
> 
> You failed to acknowledge (on purpose?) that I had done a tree-wide
> conversion despite the fact that you were replying to the very thread which
> had the 46 patches which did exactly that (and I had also mentioned it
> explicitly in my cover letter).
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.documentation/9727
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.documentation/9520
> 
> You then started probing more and more about the technique I used to do
> the tree-wide conversion.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.cross-arch/17111
> 
> You also retorted saying you did go through my patch descriptions, so
> its not like you have missed reading them.
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.power-management.general/31345
> 
> Each of these when considered individually, might appear like innocuous and
> honest attempts at evaluating my code. But when put together, I'm beginning
> to sense a whole different angle to it altogether, as if you are trying
> to spin your own patch series, complete with the locking framework _and_
> the tree-wide conversion, heavily borrowed from mine. At the beginning of
> this discussion, I predicted that the lglock version that you are proposing
> would end up being either less efficient than my version or look very similar
> to my version. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1447139
> 
> I thought it was just the former till now, but its not hard to see how it
> is getting closer to becoming the latter too. So yeah, I'm not amused.
> 
> Maybe (and hopefully) you are just trying out different ideas on your own,
> and I'm just being paranoid. I really hope that is the case. If you are just
> trying to review my code, then please stop sending patches with borrowed ideas
> with your sole Signed-off-by, and purposefully ignoring the work already done
> in my patchset, because it is really starting to look suspicious, at least
> to me.
> 
> Don't get me wrong - I'll whole-heartedly acknowledge and appreciate if
> _your_ code is better than mine. I just don't like the idea of somebody
> plagiarizing my ideas/code (or even others' ideas for that matter).
> However, I sincerely apologize in advance if I misunderstood/misjudged your
> intentions; I just wanted to voice my concerns out loud at this point,
> considering the bad feeling I got by looking at your responses collectively.
> 

Hi, Srivatsa

I'm sorry, big apology to you.
I'm bad in communication and I did be wrong.
I tended to improve the codes but in false direction.

Thanks,
Lai
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