netdev - RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 5/6] xen-netback: coalesce slots before copying

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Message-ID: <291EDFCB1E9E224A99088639C4762022013F7D8E0E14@LONPMAILBOX01.citrite.net>
Date:	Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:38:20 +0000
From:	Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@...rix.com>
To:	James Harper <james.harper@...digoit.com.au>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@...rix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@...rix.com>
CC:	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@...rix.com>, Wei Liu <liuw@...w.name>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"konrad.wilk@...cle.com" <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
	"xen-devel@...ts.xen.org" <xen-devel@...ts.xen.org>,
	"annie.li@...cle.com" <annie.li@...cle.com>
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 5/6] xen-netback: coalesce slots before
 copying

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Harper [mailto:james.harper@...digoit.com.au]
> Sent: 26 March 2013 11:29
> To: Paul Durrant; Wei Liu; David Vrabel
> Cc: Ian Campbell; Wei Liu; netdev@...r.kernel.org;
> konrad.wilk@...cle.com; xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; annie.li@...cle.com
> Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 5/6] xen-netback: coalesce slots before
> copying
> 
> > > As stated previously, I've observed windows issuing staggering numbers
> of
> > > buffers to NDIS miniport drivers, so you will need to coalesce in a
> windows
> > > driver anyway. I'm not sure what the break even point is but I think it's
> safe
> > > to say that in the choice between using 1000 (worst case) ring slots (with
> > > the
> > > resulting mapping overheads) and coalescing in the frontend, coalescing
> is
> > > going to be the better option.
> > >
> >
> > Oh quite, if the backend is mapping and not copying then coalescing in the
> > frontend is the right way to go. I guess coalescing once the frag count
> > reaches a full ring count is probably necessary (since we can't push a partial
> > packet) but it would be nice not to have to do it if the backend is going to
> > copy anyway.
> >
> 
> For a 9k packet with 100 frags (not a common case, but an example), what is
> the cost of mapping those 100 frags into the backend vs coalescing to three
> pages in the frontend and mapping those?
> 
> I may be misremembering but wasn't there a patch floating around for
> persistent mapping to avoid some of this overhead? (not applicable here but
> I thought it meant that the cost wasn't insignificant)
> 

The current version of netback does not map, it always grant-copies.

  Paul
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