netdev - Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message

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Message-ID: <20130904145830.GC28517@madcap2.tricolour.ca>
Date:	Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:58:30 -0400
From:	Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@...hat.com>
To:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Cc:	Jan Kaluza <jkaluza@...hat.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	eparis@...hat.com, tj@...nel.org, lizefan@...wei.com,
	containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
	viro@...iv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level
 control message

On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 12:42:26AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Jan Kaluza <jkaluza@...hat.com> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> > this patchset against net-next (applies also to linux-next) adds 3 new types
> > of "Socket"-level control message (SCM_AUDIT, SCM_PROCINFO and SCM_CGROUP).
> >
> > Server-like processes in many cases need credentials and other
> > metadata of the peer, to decide if the calling process is allowed to
> > request a specific action, or the server just wants to log away this
> > type of information for auditing tasks.
> >
> > The current practice to retrieve such process metadata is to look that
> > information up in procfs with the $PID received over SCM_CREDENTIALS.
> > This is sufficient for long-running tasks, but introduces a race which
> > cannot be worked around for short-living processes; the calling
> > process and all the information in /proc/$PID/ is gone before the
> > receiver of the socket message can look it up.
> 
> > Changes introduced in this patchset can also increase performance
> > of such server-like processes, because current way of opening and
> > parsing /proc/$PID/* files is much more expensive than receiving these
> > metadata using SCM.
> 
> Can I just say ick, blech, barf, gag.

/me hands ebiederman an air sickness bag.

> You don't require this information to be passed.  You are asking people
> to suport a lot of new code for the forseeable future.  The only advantage
> appears to be for short lived racy processes that don't even bother to
> make certain their message was acknowleged before exiting.
> 
> You sent this during the merge window which is the time for code
> integration and testing not new code.

This is an RFC.  How is this important?

> By my count you have overflowed cb in struct sk_buff and are stomping on
> _skb_refdest.

For patch1/3 I count 56/48, then for patch3 I get 48/48.  Jan, you might
do the conversion to a pointer in patch1/3 to avoid bisect breakage.

> If you are going to go crazy and pass things is there a reason you do
> not add a patch to pass the bsd SCM_CREDS?  That information seems more
> relevant in a security context and for making security decisions than
> about half the information you are passing.
> 
> Eric

- RGB

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