Date:	Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:35:05 -0400
From:	Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@...hat.com>
To:	Toshiaki Makita <makita.toshiaki@....ntt.co.jp>
CC:	Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@...il.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	Fernando Luis Vazquez Cao <fernando_b1@....ntt.co.jp>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 0/4] bridge: Fix problems around the PVID

On 09/24/2013 07:45 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 10:41 -0400, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 09/17/2013 04:12 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2013-09-16 at 13:49 -0400, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>> On 09/13/2013 08:06 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 16:00 -0400, David Miller wrote:
>>>>>> From: Toshiaki Makita <makita.toshiaki@....ntt.co.jp>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:27:54 +0900
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There seem to be some undesirable behaviors related with PVID.
>>>>>>> 1. It has no effect assigning PVID to a port. PVID cannot be applied
>>>>>>> to any frame regardless of whether we set it or not.
>>>>>>> 2. FDB entries learned via frames applied PVID are registered with
>>>>>>> VID 0 rather than VID value of PVID.
>>>>>>> 3. We can set 0 or 4095 as a PVID that are not allowed in IEEE 802.1Q.
>>>>>>> This leads interoperational problems such as sending frames with VID
>>>>>>> 4095, which is not allowed in IEEE 802.1Q, and treating frames with VID
>>>>>>> 0 as they belong to VLAN 0, which is expected to be handled as they have
>>>>>>> no VID according to IEEE 802.1Q.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: 2nd and 3rd problems are potential and not exposed unless 1st problem
>>>>>>> is fixed, because we cannot activate PVID due to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please work out the issues in patch #2 with Vlad and resubmit this
>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hovering between whether we should fix the issue by changing vlan 0
>>>>> interface behavior in 8021q module or enabling a bridge port to sending
>>>>> priority-tagged frames, or another better way.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you could comment it, I'd appreciate it :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I think what is discussed in patch #2 is another problem about
>>>>> handling priority-tags, and it exists without this patch set applied.
>>>>> It looks like that we should prepare another patch set than this to fix
>>>>> that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I include patches that fix the priority-tags problem in this
>>>>> patch set and resubmit them all together?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking that we might need to do it in bridge and it looks like
>>>> the simplest way to do it is to have default priority regeneration table
>>>> (table 6-5 from 802.1Q doc).
>>>>
>>>> That way I think we would conform to the spec.
>>>>
>>>> -vlad
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I don't think the default priority regeneration table
>>> resolves the problem because IEEE 802.1Q says that a VLAN-aware bridge
>>> can transmit untagged or VLAN-tagged frames only (the end of section 7.5
>>> and 8.1.7).
>>>
>>> No mechanism to send priority-tagged frames is found as far as I can see
>>> the standard. I think the regenerated priority is used for outgoing PCP
>>> field only if egress policy is not untagged (i.e. transmitting as
>>> VLAN-tagged), and unused if untagged (Section 6.9.2 3rd/4th Paragraph).
>>>
>>> If we want to transmit priority-tagged frames from a bridge port, I
>>> think we need to implement a new (optional) feature that is above the
>>> standard, as I stated previously.
>>>
>>> How do you feel about adding a per-port policy that enables a bridge to
>>> send priority-tagged frames instead of untagged frames when egress
>>> policy for the port is untagged?
>>> With this change, we can transmit frames for a given vlan as either all
>>> untagged, all priority-tagged or all VLAN-tagged.
>>
>> That would work.  What I am thinking is that we do it by special casing
>> the vid 0 egress policy specification.  Let it be untagged by default
>> and if it is tagged, then we preserve the priority field and forward
>> it on.
>>
>> This keeps the API stable and doesn't require user/admin from knowing
>> exactly what happens.  Default operation conforms to the spec and allows
>> simple change to make it backward-compatible.
>>
>> What do you think.  I've done a simple prototype of this an it seems to
>> work with the VMs I am testing with.
>
> Are you saying that
> - by default, set the 0th bit of untagged_bitmap; and
> - if we unset the 0th bit and set the "vid"th bit, we transmit frames
> classified as belonging to VLAN "vid" as priority-tagged?
>
> If so, though it's attractive to keep current API, I'm worried about if
> it could be a bit confusing and not intuitive for kernel/iproute2
> developers that VID 0 has a special meaning only in the egress policy.
> Wouldn't it be better to adding a new member to struct net_port_vlans
> instead of using VID 0 of untagged_bitmap?
>
> Or are you saying that we use a new flag in struct net_port_vlans but
> use the BRIDGE_VLAN_INFO_UNTAGGED bit with VID 0 in netlink to set the
> flag?
>
> Even in that case, I'm afraid that it might be confusing for developers
> for the same reason. We are going to prohibit to specify VID with 0 (and
> 4095) in adding/deleting a FDB entry or a vlan filtering entry, but it
> would allow us to use VID 0 only when a vlan filtering entry is
> configured.
> I am thinking a new nlattr is a straightforward approach to configure
> it.

By making this an explicit attribute it makes vid 0 a special case for
any automatic tool that would provision such filtering.  Seeing vid 0
would mean that these tools would have to know that this would have to
be translated to a different attribute instead of setting the policy
values.

How it is implemented internally in the kernel isn't as big of an issue.
We can do it as a separate flag or as part of existing policy.

-vlad

>
> Thanks,
>
> Toshiaki Makita
>
>>
>> -vlad
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Toshiaki Makita
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Toshiaki Makita
>>>>>
>>>>>>
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