Message-ID: <636041055.20140327181524@eikelenboom.it>
Date:	Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:15:24 +0100
From:	Sander Eikelenboom <linux@...elenboom.it>
To:	Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@...rix.com>
CC:	"xen-devel@...ts.xen.org" <xen-devel@...ts.xen.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@...rix.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@...rix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2 1/3] xen-netback: remove pointless clause from if statement


Thursday, March 27, 2014, 5:54:05 PM, you wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sander Eikelenboom [mailto:linux@...elenboom.it]
>> Sent: 27 March 2014 16:46
>> To: Paul Durrant
>> Cc: xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Ian Campbell; Wei Liu
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2 1/3] xen-netback: remove pointless clause from if
>> statement
>> 
>> 
>> Thursday, March 27, 2014, 3:09:32 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sander Eikelenboom [mailto:linux@...elenboom.it]
>> >> Sent: 27 March 2014 14:03
>> >> To: Paul Durrant
>> >> Cc: xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Ian Campbell; Wei
>> Liu
>> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2 1/3] xen-netback: remove pointless clause
>> from if
>> >> statement
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thursday, March 27, 2014, 2:54:46 PM, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Sander Eikelenboom [mailto:linux@...elenboom.it]
>> >> >> Sent: 27 March 2014 13:46
>> >> >> To: Paul Durrant
>> >> >> Cc: xen-devel@...ts.xen.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Ian Campbell;
>> Wei
>> >> Liu
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2 1/3] xen-netback: remove pointless clause
>> >> from if
>> >> >> statement
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thursday, March 27, 2014, 1:56:11 PM, you wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > This patch removes a test in start_new_rx_buffer() that checks
>> whether
>> >> >> > a copy operation is less than MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET in length, since
>> >> >> > MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET is defined to be PAGE_SIZE and the only caller
>> of
>> >> >> > start_new_rx_buffer() already limits copy operations to PAGE_SIZE
>> or
>> >> less.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Signed-off-by: Paul Durrant <paul.durrant@...rix.com>
>> >> >> > Cc: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@...rix.com>
>> >> >> > Cc: Wei Liu <wei.liu2@...rix.com>
>> >> >> > Cc: Sander Eikelenboom <linux@...elenboom.it>
>> >> >> > ---
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > v2:
>> >> >> >  - Add BUG_ON() as suggested by Ian Campbell
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >  drivers/net/xen-netback/netback.c |    4 ++--
>> >> >> >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > diff --git a/drivers/net/xen-netback/netback.c b/drivers/net/xen-
>> >> >> netback/netback.c
>> >> >> > index 438d0c0..72314c7 100644
>> >> >> > --- a/drivers/net/xen-netback/netback.c
>> >> >> > +++ b/drivers/net/xen-netback/netback.c
>> >> >> > @@ -192,8 +192,8 @@ static bool start_new_rx_buffer(int offset,
>> >> >> unsigned long size, int head)
>> >> >> >          * into multiple copies tend to give large frags their
>> >> >> >          * own buffers as before.
>> >> >> >          */
>> >> >> > -       if ((offset + size > MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET) &&
>> >> >> > -           (size <= MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET) && offset && !head)
>> >> >> > +       BUG_ON(size > MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET);
>> >> >> > +       if ((offset + size > MAX_BUFFER_OFFSET) && offset && !head)
>> >> >> >                 return true;
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >         return false;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Paul,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately .. no good ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With these patches (v2) applied to 3.14-rc8 it all seems to work well,
>> >> >> until i do my test case .. it still chokes and now effectively permanently
>> >> stalls
>> >> >> network traffic to that guest.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No error messages or anything in either xl dmesg or dmesg on the host
>> ..
>> >> and
>> >> >> nothing in dmesg in the guest either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But in the guest the TX bytes ifconfig reports for eth0 still increase but
>> RX
>> >> >> bytes does nothing, so it seems only the RX path is effected)
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> > But you're not getting ring overflow, right? So that suggests this series is
>> >> working and you're now hitting another problem? I don't see how these
>> >> patches could directly cause the new behaviour you're seeing.
>> >>
>> >> Don't know  .. how ever .. i previously tested:
>> >>         - unconditionally doing "max_slots_needed + 1"  in "net_rx_action()",
>> >> and that circumvented the problem reliably without causing anything else
>> >>         - reverting the calculation of "max_slots_needed + 1"  in
>> >> "net_rx_action()" to what it was before :
>> >>                 int max = DIV_ROUND_UP(vif->dev->mtu, PAGE_SIZE);
>> >>                 if (vif->can_sg || vif->gso_mask || vif->gso_prefix_mask)
>> >>                         max += MAX_SKB_FRAGS + 1; /* extra_info + frags */
>> >>
>> 
>> > So, it may be that the worse-case estimate is now too bad. In the case
>> where it's failing for you it would be nice to know what the estimate was


> Ok, so we cannot be too pessimistic. In that case I don't see there's a lot of
> choice but to stick with the existing DIV_ROUND_UP (i.e. don't assume
> start_new_rx_buffer() returns true every time) and just add the extra 1.

Hrmm i don't like a "magic" 1 bonus slot, there must be some theoretical backing.
And since the original problem always seemed to occur on a packet with a single large frag, i'm wondering
if this 1 would actually be correct in other cases.

Well this is what i said earlier on .. it's hard to estimate upfront if "start_new_rx_buffer()" will return true,
and how many times that is possible per frag .. and if that is possible for only 1 frag or for all frags.

The problem is now replaced from packets with 1 large frag (for which it didn't account properly leading to a too small estimate) .. to packets
with a large number of (smaller) frags .. leading to a too large over estimation.

So would there be a theoretical maximum how often that path could hit based on a combination of sizes (total size of all frags, nr_frags, size per frag) ?
- if you hit "start_new_rx_buffer()" == true  in the first frag .. could you hit it in a next frag ?
- could it be limited due to something like the packet_size / nr_frags / page_size ?

And what was wrong with the previous calculation ?
                 int max = DIV_ROUND_UP(vif->dev->mtu, PAGE_SIZE);
                 if (vif->can_sg || vif->gso_mask || vif->gso_prefix_mask)
                         max += MAX_SKB_FRAGS + 1; /* extra_info + frags */

That perhaps also misses some theoretical backing, what if it would have (MAX_SKB_FRAGS - 1) nr_frags, but larger ones that have to be split to
fit in a slot. Or is the total size of frags a skb can carry limited to MAX_SKB_FRAGS / PAGE_SIZE ? .. than you would expect that MAX_SKB_FRAGS is a upper limit.
(and you could do the new check maxed by MAX_SKB_FRAGS so it doesn't get to a too large non reachable estimate).

But as a side question .. the whole "get_next_rx_buffer()" path is needed for when a frag could not fit in a slot
as a whole ?



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Sander

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