netdev - Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path

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Message-ID: <1397750674.2628.44.camel@willson.li.ssimo.org>
Date:	Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:04:34 -0400
From:	Simo Sorce <ssorce@...hat.com>
To:	Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@...hat.com>
Cc:	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	lpoetter@...hat.com, cgroups@...r.kernel.org, kay@...hat.com,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing
 cgroup path

On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 08:41 -0700, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 04/16/2014 11:59 AM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:13:31AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 09:31:25AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>> I am not sure how same issue with happen with cgroups. In the case of
> >>> socket example, you are forcing a setuid program to write to standard
> >>> output and that setuid program will run in same cgroup as caller and
> >>> will have same cgroup as caller. So even if somebody was using cgroup
> >>> information for authentication, atleast in this particular case it
> >>> will not be a problem. Both unpriviliged and priviliged programs has
> >>> same cgroups.
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure that there's an actual attackable program.  But I also
> >> see no reason to be convinced that there isn't one, and the problem
> >> can easily be avoided by requiring programs to explicitly ask to send
> >> their cgroup.
> > If you can't prove that there is something fundamentally wrong with
> > passing cgroup info to receiver, there is no reason to block these
> > patches either.
> >
> > We can't fix the problems which we can't see. You are saying that I 
> > don't know what kind of problem can happen due to cgroup passing. Still
> > that does not mean none of the problems exist. So let us not pass cgroup
> > info by default and ask client to opt in.
> >
> > I don't think this is a very convincing argument.
> >
> > To me, if we can't see anything fundamentally wrong with passing cgroup
> > info, we should take these patches in. And once we figure out that there
> > is are problematic use cases, then implement SO_NOPASSCGROUP and
> > SO_NOPEERCRED  and allow problematic clients to opt out.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vivek
> The two use cases for this patch are:

Let me add some caveats to explain what is used, as the 2 cases map to
the 2 different new options.

> 1 Logging, to make sure the cgroup information gets correctly attributed
> to the caller. 

In here the logging system wants to know *who* logged, if the cgroups of
the process actually doing the logging changes, that's what the logging
system wants to know.
If somehow a setuid binary can change the cgroups, then the logging
system *wants* to know that these logs are coming from there, because
they sure are not coming from the original bounded process anymore.

This use case wants to use SO_PASSCGROUP as it wants to know who the
current writer is, not who opened the file descriptor.


> 2 Potentially reveal different information to the caller based on the
> cgroup information. 
> 
> Imagine you want to set up an apache web server that is going to use
> sssd for authentication data.  You might want to reveal a limited set of
> users to the apache service process based on the fact that it is running
> in the apache.service.slice.  If the apache service does the equivalent
> of getent passwd I want to give it different information then say sshd
> did the same calls.

This case is the inverse, we totally want to care only about who
*opened* the socket for communication, because that's when the kernel
does access control and tells us who is the *owner* of the information.
It doesn't matter at all if the owner turns around and passes the socket
to another process anywhere in the system. If that process does it, it
means it wants to disclose information to which it already have access
to and can ship to said process already and independently anyway.

This use case wants to use SO_PEERCGROUP for that reason.

I hope this makes the use cases more clear.

Simo.

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