netdev - Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path

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Message-ID: <CALCETrUrj2LtAoXp600BD2ANgE2UUEbTYQrK8hHqDR=qpeFPcg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:11:11 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Simo Sorce <ssorce@...hat.com>
Cc:	Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@...hat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	lpoetter@...hat.com, cgroups@...r.kernel.org, kay@...hat.com,
	Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Simo Sorce <ssorce@...hat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 08:41 -0700, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>> On 04/16/2014 11:59 AM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:13:31AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 09:31:25AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> >>> I am not sure how same issue with happen with cgroups. In the case of
>> >>> socket example, you are forcing a setuid program to write to standard
>> >>> output and that setuid program will run in same cgroup as caller and
>> >>> will have same cgroup as caller. So even if somebody was using cgroup
>> >>> information for authentication, atleast in this particular case it
>> >>> will not be a problem. Both unpriviliged and priviliged programs has
>> >>> same cgroups.
>> >>>
>> >> I'm not sure that there's an actual attackable program.  But I also
>> >> see no reason to be convinced that there isn't one, and the problem
>> >> can easily be avoided by requiring programs to explicitly ask to send
>> >> their cgroup.
>> > If you can't prove that there is something fundamentally wrong with
>> > passing cgroup info to receiver, there is no reason to block these
>> > patches either.
>> >
>> > We can't fix the problems which we can't see. You are saying that I
>> > don't know what kind of problem can happen due to cgroup passing. Still
>> > that does not mean none of the problems exist. So let us not pass cgroup
>> > info by default and ask client to opt in.
>> >
>> > I don't think this is a very convincing argument.
>> >
>> > To me, if we can't see anything fundamentally wrong with passing cgroup
>> > info, we should take these patches in. And once we figure out that there
>> > is are problematic use cases, then implement SO_NOPASSCGROUP and
>> > SO_NOPEERCRED  and allow problematic clients to opt out.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Vivek
>> The two use cases for this patch are:
>
> Let me add some caveats to explain what is used, as the 2 cases map to
> the 2 different new options.
>
>> 1 Logging, to make sure the cgroup information gets correctly attributed
>> to the caller.
>
> In here the logging system wants to know *who* logged, if the cgroups of
> the process actually doing the logging changes, that's what the logging
> system wants to know.
> If somehow a setuid binary can change the cgroups, then the logging
> system *wants* to know that these logs are coming from there, because
> they sure are not coming from the original bounded process anymore.
>
> This use case wants to use SO_PASSCGROUP as it wants to know who the
> current writer is, not who opened the file descriptor.

No.  The logging daemon thinks it wants to know who the writer is, but
the logging daemon is wrong.  It actually wants to know who composed a
log message destined to it.  The caller of write(2) may or may not be
the same entity.

If this form of SO_PASSCGROUP somehow makes it into a pull request for
Linus, I will ask him not to pull it and/or to revert it.  I think
he'll agree that write(2) MUST NOT care who called it.  Yes, I don't
see how this is exploitable on my machine, but it's a mistake for the
same reason that the netlink crap in CVE-2014-0181 is a mistake.

FWIW, there are a handful of people who think about security and
occasionally answer things on lkml.  Some of them will tell you once
that a patch is a problem, and then they'll watch you ignore it, and
then they'll pwn you later on.  This has happened to me.  I'm not one
of those people, though, but it's generally good policy to pay
attention when people tell you that your proposed API *cannot* be used
safely.

--Andy
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