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Date:	Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:37:47 -0700
From:	Jesse Gross <jesse@...ira.com>
To:	Simon Horman <horms@...ge.net.au>
Cc:	YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@...inux.co.jp>,
	"dev@...nvswitch.org" <dev@...nvswitch.org>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Pravin Shelar <pshelar@...ira.com>,
	ravi kerur <rkerur@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [ovs-dev] [PATCH v2.56] datapath: Add basic MPLS support to kernel

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Simon Horman <horms@...ge.net.au> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:57:20PM -0700, Jesse Gross wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:06 AM, YAMAMOTO Takashi
>> <yamamoto@...inux.co.jp> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 05:57:29PM +0900, YAMAMOTO Takashi wrote:
>> >>> hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> > + * Due to the sample action there may be multiple possible eth types.
>> >>> > + * In order to correctly validate actions all possible types are tracked
>> >>> > + * and verified. This is done using struct eth_types.
>> >>>
>> >>> is there any real-world use cases of these actions inside a sample?
>> >>> otherwise, how about just rejecting such combinations?
>> >>> it doesn't seem to worth the code complexity to me.
>> >>> (sorry if it has been already discussed.  it's the first time for me
>> >>> to seriously read this long-lived patch.)
>> >>
>> >> Good point, the code is rather complex.
>> >>
>> >> My understanding is that it comes into effect in the case
>> >> of sflow or ipfix being configured on the bridge. I tend
>> >> to think these are real-world use-cases, though that thinking
>> >> is by no means fixed.
>> >>
>> >> My reading of the code is that in the case of sflow and ipfix a single
>> >> sample rule appears at the beginning of the flow. And that it may be
>> >> possible to replace the code that you are referring to with something
>> >> simpler to handle these cases.
>> >
>> > it seems that they put only a userland action inside a sample.
>> > it's what i expected from its name "sample".
>>
>> Yes, that's the only current use case. In theory, this could be used
>> more generally although nothing has come up yet.
>>
>> In retrospect, I regret the design of the sample action - not the part
>> that allows it to handle different actions but the fact that the
>> results can affect things outside of the sample action list. I think
>> that if we had made it more like a subroutine then that would have
>> retained all of the functionality but none of the complexity here.
>> Perhaps if we can find a clean way to restructure it without breaking
>> compatibility then that would simplify the validation here.
>
> I have not thought deeply about this but it seems to me that it should be
> easy enough to provide compatibility for a new user-space to work with both
> new and old datapaths.  But it is not clear to me how to achieve the
> reverse: allowing a new datapath to work with both new and old user-spaces.
> I assume that we care about such compatibility.

Generally, I would say yes although there is potentially some room for
debate here. No version of OVS userspace has ever put an action other
than userspace in the sample field. I know that other people have
talked about writing different userspaces that run on the OVS kernel
module but I highly doubt that they use this action or would do so
differently. I can't prove that but it might be OK to bite the bullet.
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